DA vs ECNL Requirements

Private high schools give scholarships. So DA says “we don’t want to get in the way of a player getting an education”. Someone at US Soccer feels that a private school education is better than a public school. (And they are probably right. We were going to have our kids go to private high schools, but they told us they wanted to go the public school with all of their friends)

There are GDA players who played for their public HS that USSF allowed to return this spring. USSF just doesn’t publicize it.
 
Socal? It does say, "with written permission." I would like to see some of those.

Players do that without permission, they don't ask. Coaches turn a blind eye and they play on.

It's not like da folks bother to even look, cross reference, audit, or anything much really. More up to the clubs to enforce or not.
 
Players do that without permission, they don't ask. Coaches turn a blind eye and they play on.

It's not like da folks bother to even look, cross reference, audit, or anything much really. More up to the clubs to enforce or not.
If they are playing HS school soccer and playing in DA games or even training with their DA team and playing 7 v7 at the same time as they are playing HS, the bigger problem is the risk that they are reported to the CIF. Their high school team would have to forfeit all the games in which they've played. Even if DA turns a blind eye, the CIF will not. Pretty selfish for anyone to do this and put their HS team in that kind of predicament.
 
If they are playing HS school soccer and playing in DA games or even training with their DA team and playing 7 v7 at the same time as they are playing HS, the bigger problem is the risk that they are reported to the CIF. Their high school team would have to forfeit all the games in which they've played. Even if DA turns a blind eye, the CIF will not. Pretty selfish for anyone to do this and put their HS team in that kind of predicament.
I know of at least 1 player that was on a DPL team that trained with the DA team a little bit. As soon as Hs soccer was over, she’s been playing with the DA team.
 
I know of at least 1 player that was on a DPL team that trained with the DA team a little bit. As soon as Hs soccer was over, she’s been playing with the DA team.
A player can play with their high school team and still train with the club team, as long as they are not playing 6 v 6 or more. That is totally legal. If they, as someone mentioned, play high school without permission, that would mean that the club/coach does not know and they are likely playing in full sided games. That would be a violation, and the HS would have to forfeit their games.
 
If they are playing HS school soccer and playing in DA games or even training with their DA team and playing 7 v7 at the same time as they are playing HS, the bigger problem is the risk that they are reported to the CIF. Their high school team would have to forfeit all the games in which they've played. Even if DA turns a blind eye, the CIF will not. Pretty selfish for anyone to do this and put their HS team in that kind of predicament.

DA is mostly off during HS, they just don't put those players on the game day roster until there HS season is over. DA fall in over in Dec for the most part. Players play HS until Feb maybe or March if they make playoffs and return to DA. No problems or conflict with CIF this way. This happens every year by players with DA waviers or not.
 
DA is mostly off during HS, they just don't put those players on the game day roster until there HS season is over. DA fall in over in Dec for the most part. Players play HS until Feb maybe or March if they make playoffs and return to DA. No problems or conflict with CIF this way. This happens every year by players with DA waviers or not.
So that means that they are getting permission from the their club/coach, just not written. When you said "they don't ask", it implied that they just went ahead and played HS without telling anyone in the club. I wonder if the DA clubs let any player do this, or if this only applies to their best players.
 
I know of at least 1 player that was on a DPL team that trained with the DA team a little bit. As soon as Hs soccer was over, she’s been playing with the DA team.
That was the proposal to us this year before our Hop over to Strikers and ECNL. Play DPL for first half and then wave goodbye to those new friends and then go play HS with your hs friends and then go back to club DA and take a starting spot away from a DA player. No winners and horrible plan. I tried the "wink wink" but I was told my dd stands out too much and would get "kicked out" of the league because we didn;t get "written Permission" from the DA Staff.
 
So that means that they are getting permission from the their club/coach, just not written. When you said "they don't ask", it implied that they just went ahead and played HS without telling anyone in the club. I wonder if the DA clubs let any player do this, or if this only applies to their best players.

Don't ask DA us what I was referring to.

There are players that play ECNL, HS, DA, club tournaments all the same season. Clubs & coaches are the ones that allow that...head coach for HS, assistant for ECNL, assiant or head in DA...same coach(s) or group of the them. Part time DA status is another avenue.
 
DA is mostly off during HS, they just don't put those players on the game day roster until there HS season is over. DA fall in over in Dec for the most part. Players play HS until Feb maybe or March if they make playoffs and return to DA. No problems or conflict with CIF this way. This happens every year by players with DA waviers or not.
False on a couple counts jpeter -- 1) Unless your kid's HS plays in late July, late December or in January, DA is not "off during HS", and 2) Any full time DA player that participates in a HS match is ineligible to participate in another DA match until the following year (PT payers can only play in 12 DA matches if they choose to play HS ... and most clubs don't even allow those kids to play HS).

F. Player Participation in Outside Competitions

Academy Players must meet all attendance and participation requirements under the Development Academy Requirements and for the individual club requirements as well, for training and games for their DA team during the Academy Season. Failure to meet those requirements should result in removal from the DA team.

DA Clubs may not permit any full-time Academy Player to participate on a non-DA team during the Academy Season. The only permissible soccer related reasons to miss Development Academy activities is National Team duty and YNT Identification Center participation.

DA Clubs will be held accountable for the actions of their players.

Academy Players currently registered with a DA Club have committed to forgo participating in both the Academy and high school or middle school soccer.

Players who participate in high/middle school soccer are ineligible to participate in Academy practice and competition during that same season.

Only players who have been granted a waiver by the League Office will be allowed to remain on their club’s Academy roster during the high school soccer season (waivers are not available for middle school). This waiver must be received by the DA office before September 9, 2019, to be considered for the roster exemption. The waiver eligibility guidelines are as follows:

Players who receive consideration or financial aid to attend a private high school based on their participation with the soccer team are eligible

Although clubs are not limited to a specific number of waivers, the number is naturally self-limiting to field a full team throughout the Academy season.

Full-time players registered with a DA Club will not be allowed to re-enter the program during the same season after participating in the high school season with their current or a different DA Club.
 
False on a couple counts jpeter -- 1) Unless your kid's HS plays in late July, late December or in January, DA is not "off during HS", and 2) Any full time DA player that participates in a HS match is ineligible to participate in another DA match until the following year (PT payers can only play in 12 DA matches if they choose to play HS ... and most clubs don't even allow those kids to play HS).

F. Player Participation in Outside Competitions

Academy Players must meet all attendance and participation requirements under the Development Academy Requirements and for the individual club requirements as well, for training and games for their DA team during the Academy Season. Failure to meet those requirements should result in removal from the DA team.

DA Clubs may not permit any full-time Academy Player to participate on a non-DA team during the Academy Season. The only permissible soccer related reasons to miss Development Academy activities is National Team duty and YNT Identification Center participation.

DA Clubs will be held accountable for the actions of their players.

Academy Players currently registered with a DA Club have committed to forgo participating in both the Academy and high school or middle school soccer.

Players who participate in high/middle school soccer are ineligible to participate in Academy practice and competition during that same season.

Only players who have been granted a waiver by the League Office will be allowed to remain on their club’s Academy roster during the high school soccer season (waivers are not available for middle school). This waiver must be received by the DA office before September 9, 2019, to be considered for the roster exemption. The waiver eligibility guidelines are as follows:

Players who receive consideration or financial aid to attend a private high school based on their participation with the soccer team are eligible

Although clubs are not limited to a specific number of waivers, the number is naturally self-limiting to field a full team throughout the Academy season.

Full-time players registered with a DA Club will not be allowed to re-enter the program during the same season after participating in the high school season with their current or a different DA Club.

Yeah yeah you can quote all the verbiage you want but in reality some DA players have already played HS, returned for couple of DA games this season. This goes on ever year with both players with a wavier and without. It's up to the clubs, DA is not really tracking, auditing, or concerns it's self with that.

There are no or very little DA games during the HS season dec-feb. If there are some just not on the roster, it's really simple and standard practice.
 
False on a couple counts jpeter -- 1) Unless your kid's HS plays in late July, late December or in January, DA is not "off during HS", and 2) Any full time DA player that participates in a HS match is ineligible to participate in another DA match until the following year (PT payers can only play in 12 DA matches if they choose to play HS ... and most clubs don't even allow those kids to play HS).

F. Player Participation in Outside Competitions

Academy Players must meet all attendance and participation requirements under the Development Academy Requirements and for the individual club requirements as well, for training and games for their DA team during the Academy Season. Failure to meet those requirements should result in removal from the DA team.

DA Clubs may not permit any full-time Academy Player to participate on a non-DA team during the Academy Season. The only permissible soccer related reasons to miss Development Academy activities is National Team duty and YNT Identification Center participation.

DA Clubs will be held accountable for the actions of their players.

Academy Players currently registered with a DA Club have committed to forgo participating in both the Academy and high school or middle school soccer.

Players who participate in high/middle school soccer are ineligible to participate in Academy practice and competition during that same season.

Only players who have been granted a waiver by the League Office will be allowed to remain on their club’s Academy roster during the high school soccer season (waivers are not available for middle school). This waiver must be received by the DA office before September 9, 2019, to be considered for the roster exemption. The waiver eligibility guidelines are as follows:

Players who receive consideration or financial aid to attend a private high school based on their participation with the soccer team are eligible

Although clubs are not limited to a specific number of waivers, the number is naturally self-limiting to field a full team throughout the Academy season.

Full-time players registered with a DA Club will not be allowed to re-enter the program during the same season after participating in the high school season with their current or a different DA Club.

The GDA players I know who played public HS soccer and went back to GDA afterwards were granted waivers by USSF. USSF had promised clubs that girls would be allowed to play HS if they graduated in 2020 or earlier without jeopardizing GDA eligibility. Go here, click the link to the slides and go to slide 6. slideshttp://www.ussoccerda.com/girls-academy-interested-clubs

Although USSF tried to pull the rug out from under those kids and then bullied most into submission, not everyone kowtowed.
 
The GDA players I know who played public HS soccer and went back to GDA afterwards were granted waivers by USSF. USSF had promised clubs that girls would be allowed to play HS if they graduated in 2020 or earlier without jeopardizing GDA eligibility. Go here, click the link to the slides and go to slide 6. slideshttp://www.ussoccerda.com/girls-academy-interested-clubs

Although USSF tried to pull the rug out from under those kids and then bullied most into submission, not everyone kowtowed.

On the boys side, some kids figured out that after they had been scouted and passed over for NT duty and scouted and recruited to a college, they could back out in the Senior year and play in the old green and gray (or maroon and white, or whatever you like) HS jerseys for a year.
 
The GDA players I know who played public HS soccer and went back to GDA afterwards were granted waivers by USSF. USSF had promised clubs that girls would be allowed to play HS if they graduated in 2020 or earlier without jeopardizing GDA eligibility. Go here, click the link to the slides and go to slide 6. slideshttp://www.ussoccerda.com/girls-academy-interested-clubs

Although USSF tried to pull the rug out from under those kids and then bullied most into submission, not everyone kowtowed.
Thanks EOTL :cool: ... You'd have to be a current Senior with a previously granted waiver based on grandfathering to get away with playing HS. Not too many of those left are there?

That said, there have been two in our area this year alone that were suspended for 3+ matches and the clubs were warned by USSDA that they'd be placed on probation with the next violation. Feel free to carry on with the high 'n mighty SoCal ideology if you like ... But make no mistake -- The DA are taking any violation of the HS rostering very seriously for those '21s and younger going forward. If ya don't think so ... best o' luck to ya. Slainte!
 
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