CIF- cant play club and high school at same time

Publius said:
If that’s right there’s tons of people unknowingly violating that requirement
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In LA county some HS athletic directors & coaches have been sending out updates but besides the 10 travel quarantine notice the dual cohorts and change of the CIF dual play rule is newer so might take a while to trickle down.

The don't ask don't tell kind of things outside of schools are one tactic and not everybody follows "recommendations"
 
lafalafa said:
In LA county some HS athletic directors & coaches have been sending out updates but besides the 10 travel quarantine notice the dual cohorts and change of the CIF dual play rule is newer so might take a while to trickle down.

The don't ask don't tell kind of things outside of schools are one tactic and not everybody follows "recommendations"
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Without commenting on the propriety, people doing what they do and others knowing about it or not in terms of did you leave the county and fail to lock yourself in your house is one thing and also probably not that visible. Everyone knows and it’s visible that a bunch of cross country runners are also playing club soccer, a bunch of football players are also playing club baseball, etc. It’s very visible. If the dual play rule really isn’t sport specific (I.e., can’t play club soccer in HS season once you compete in a HS game), that’s unfortunately huge. With club soccer being close to year round, large number of athletes compete (or perhaps now they condition instead) in HS sports while playing club soccer. Is this always how the HS dual play has worked or that new? When cif said they were rescinding the waiver I kind of thought it just went back to how it has always worked as opposed to being something new.
 
Publius said:
Without commenting on the propriety, people doing what they do and others knowing about it or not in terms of did you leave the county and fail to lock yourself in your house is one thing and also probably not that visible. Everyone knows and it’s visible that a bunch of cross country runners are also playing club soccer, a bunch of football players are also playing club baseball, etc. It’s very visible. If the dual play rule really isn’t sport specific (I.e., can’t play club soccer in HS season once you compete in a HS game), that’s unfortunately huge. With club soccer being close to year round, large number of athletes compete (or perhaps now they condition instead) in HS sports while playing club soccer. Is this always how the HS dual play has worked or that new? When cif said they were rescinding the waiver I kind of thought it just went back to how it has always worked as opposed to being something new.
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They basically went back to the old rule that you cant play club and HS at the same time. Worked out fine in previous years since club would take a winter break. Due to COVID, they rescinded this rule back in early Fall in hopes that some sort of season might be able to be played for HS and club sports. They recongized there may be some overlap, so they were going to allow players to double up.
Now they've changed their mind because they dont want to cross contaminate players from clubs and different high schools. But when you play a HS game (someday soon. maybe) you'll be crossing with players from other schools/cities.
The whole thing is pretty silly.
 
timbuck said:
They basically went back to the old rule that you cant play club and HS at the same time. Worked out fine in previous years since club would take a winter break. Due to COVID, they rescinded this rule back in early Fall in hopes that some sort of season might be able to be played for HS and club sports. They recongized there may be some overlap, so they were going to allow players to double up.
Now they've changed their mind because they dont want to cross contaminate players from clubs and different high schools. But when you play a HS game (someday soon. maybe) you'll be crossing with players from other schools/cities.
The whole thing is pretty silly.
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So you Okay with an idea that player will practice every day (maybe twice a day) and play 4-5 games a week in between for 2 month, but everything else is silly?
 
On no. I'm not ok with it at all.
I'm not sure what my team/players will do if there is a HS season. I'll worry about it if we have an announced season at some point.
 
Publius said:
With at least a few less typos this time:
The CIF rule press release said they’re doing this because the CDPH said you can’t participate in more than one team at a time. So that’s about “cohorting for safety”, not the standard competition rule. If that’s right, the rule should say that you can’t participate on any other team in any other sport (club or HS) when you’re on a HS team. So that press release about the reason for the rule is either totally wrong as to why they adopted it or they adopted a rule that doesn’t even do what they want. Not to mention it wouldn’t make sense once you start competing in HS because by definition you’re leaving your stable cohort when you compete anyway. None of this makes sense. Is the rule they just adopted actually just reimplementing the old rule about competing in the same sport at the same time or is it something new and broader that would prohibit kids from playing any second sport anywhere?
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For now it is reimplementing the old rule under section 600, which by the way still allows futsal and indoor soccer (indoor????) So we are talking two different things. CDPH and CIF. CIF said going back to old rules since the new rules violate CDPH. CIF old rules say no club soccer and High School soccer same time. Per old CIF rules Club soccer and another sport are still allowed. CIF also stated that playing with your Club team already doesn't violate any rules since no games have been played in High School. Thus you can practice with High School, but not play a game with them as that is when violation goes into effect. Plus CIF has added Mask requirements.

Now CDPH says only practice with your own cohort. Plus they won't actually let you play games yet. So you might not violate CIF but would violate CDPH? Everyone seems to be violating CDPH, indoor basketball, volleyball, pickup games of basketball, soccer, football, hopscotch. Looks like they need the enforcers from CIF working for CDPH.
 
socalkdg said:
For now it is reimplementing the old rule under section 600, which by the way still allows futsal and indoor soccer (indoor????) So we are talking two different things. CDPH and CIF. CIF said going back to old rules since the new rules violate CDPH. CIF old rules say no club soccer and High School soccer same time. Per old CIF rules Club soccer and another sport are still allowed. CIF also stated that playing with your Club team already doesn't violate any rules since no games have been played in High School. Thus you can practice with High School, but not play a game with them as that is when violation goes into effect. Plus CIF has added Mask requirements.

Now CDPH says only practice with your own cohort. Plus they won't actually let you play games yet. So you might not violate CIF but would violate CDPH? Everyone seems to be violating CDPH, indoor basketball, volleyball, pickup games of basketball, soccer, football, hopscotch. Looks like they need the enforcers from CIF working for CDPH.
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Thanks that’s what I kind of understood it to be except that the cif statement they’re making the change because of the CDPH rule then makes no sense at all because you still have mixing from other sports and even in same sport up until competition. Guess you just have to divorce trying to make sense of it from the actual rule.
 
Publius said:
Thanks that’s what I kind of understood it to be except that the cif statement they’re making the change because of the CDPH rule then makes no sense at all because you still have mixing from other sports and even in same sport up until competition. Guess you just have to divorce trying to make sense of it from the actual rule.
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CDPH is making this stuff up and CIF is just following. The one cohort thing at a time is from the CDPH guidance. The tier system where soccer is high risk with counties needing to be in the moderate tier or orange before play can happen is from the state and CDPH.

CIF, HS coaches, principals, AD's have decided to follow the guidance for the most part, couple football games not withstanding.

Club sports have followed some of the guidance and taken liberty at other parts of that.

For public institutions that's a little bit harder to do, is there a middle ground? Think we may find out within the next couple months, getting to orange is going to be very difficult for some counties and LA school district is not going to open any time soon according to: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-02-01/la-schools-remain-shut-down-near-future-covid

Without schools opening going to be a very hard sell to just allow sports only on campus so unless we have some quick changes HS orange tier sports not likely to happen in that district.
 
EOTL said:
CIF’s rule against playing both at the same time is about safety. It’s not safe to play both HS and club soccer at the same time, it is simply too much.

The DA wouldn’t let you play HS not because they overlapped, but because USSF believed kids were their personal property. Thank god it’s gone.
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Nope.
 
My solution to the madness is to only allow 180 actual soccer game minutes a week. Practice is only allowed at either HS or ECNL, not both. For the sake of the girls, please allow the girls the free choice to do either or, or to do both.
 
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