How will this affect womens sports in college?

Scott m Shurson said:
No, you want the rules changed to comply with your life. You’re wrong on this.
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Nope. The rules are already in place and have been for years. You’re the one who wants the rules changed. If you want slow Karens to get eighth place instead of ninth in CT, you’re the one who needs to change them.

Whiny loser. Lost the presidential election. Lost Congress. Lost the gubernatorial election. Lost your attempts to keep trans women out of the bathroom. And now slow Karens can’t even win eighth place in a HS race. So much losing.
 
dk_b said:
I was looking at the text and not the source and I would have responded sincerely but for the tenor. I'm not here to squelch that discussion - it's not my place.

And, for the record, the EO does not bother me and, based on prior discussions, I don't expect it would bother my kids. Why? Because they understand what it means to be transgender and have transgender classmates (boys and girls). They have changed out in the locker room and have used the bathroom with transgender people (and the strong likelihood is that we all have). And I believe that they'd say that no teenager is going to front like he's a transgender girl just so he can succeed in sports - being transgender is not just cross dressing to "pass".
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I couldn't care less what restroom transgenders use and I fully support equal rights for LGBTQ. However, allowing biological males to compete in women's sports is actually giving an advantage to these transgender athletes. There is only so much hormones can do to change the biological strengths of a male. In the case of the Connecticut male to female track athletes those individuals were on the boys team one year and the girls the next. Sorry, but that doesn't pass the reasonableness test for me. Martina makes a very good case for female to male transgenders not competing in women's sports. I don't see it having much to any impact on women's soccer (or any team sports), but I do have some concern for individual sports that involve strength and speed.

If you get a chance, watch the ESPN documentary on Dr. Renee Richards, it is fascinating and and dispels some stereotypes that some people may have on transgender individuals.
 
dad4 said:
If, as seems likely, the trans community succeeds in redefining gender, expect public interest in pro womens sports to fall.

For some sports, the highest levels will have a podium full of XY women sprinters and weight lifters who look like the East German team from 1976. That is not going to drive viewership. It will look like a rigged game, because that is what it will be.
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Gosh, if they let people wear jet packs on their backs, it’s really going to ruin sport.

You’re making up fake hypotheticals. The “trans community” is not trying to ruin women’s sports. No one in it is demanding that they be allowed to just throw on a wig and compete against women. No one is claiming that reasonable standards shouldn’t be put into place. Y’all are just making s**t up. There is no plot to take over women’s sports and it will never happen. You’re just being hysterical
 
watfly said:
I couldn't care less what restroom transgenders use and I fully support equal rights for LGBTQ. However, allowing biological males to compete in women's sports is actually giving an advantage to these transgender athletes. There is only so much hormones can do to change the biological strengths of a male. In the case of the Connecticut male to female track athletes those individuals were on the boys team one year and the girls the next. Sorry, but that doesn't pass the reasonableness test for me. Martina makes a very good case for female to male transgenders not competing in women's sports. I don't see it having much to any impact on women's soccer (or any team sports), but I do have some concern for individual sports that involve strength and speed.

If you get a chance, watch the ESPN documentary on Dr. Renee Richards, it is fascinating and and dispels some stereotypes that some people may have on transgender individuals.
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Thank you for saying something that isn’t full of bigoted hysterical crap, unlike the s**t for brains trumpanzees here.
 
EOTL said:
Gosh, if they let people wear jet packs on their backs, it’s really going to ruin sport.

You’re making up fake hypotheticals. The “trans community” is not trying to ruin women’s sports. No one in it is demanding that they be allowed to just throw on a wig and compete against women. No one is claiming that reasonable standards shouldn’t be put into place. Y’all are just making s**t up. There is no plot to take over women’s sports and it will never happen. You’re just being hysterical
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How DARE you use the word "hysterical"!!!!!

Sexist pig. Save that kind of misogynist language for your magat loving QAnon buddies on Parler.
 
dad4 said:
How DARE you use the word "hysterical"!!!!!

Sexist pig. Save that kind of misogynist language for your magat loving QAnon buddies on Parler.
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Nice try. The only misogyny going on here is you connecting the word hysterical to women. I know you moss Parler. All you trumpanzees have been lost at sea without it.
 
EOTL said:
Nope. The rules are already in place and have been for years. You’re the one who wants the rules changed. If you want slow Karens to get eighth place instead of ninth in CT, you’re the one who needs to change them.

Whiny loser. Lost the presidential election. Lost Congress. Lost the gubernatorial election. Lost your attempts to keep trans women out of the bathroom. And now slow Karens can’t even win eighth place in a HS race. So much losing.
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LMAO! I’m not a republican, you fool.

Men have zero business competing in women’s sports. Period. You can think you’re female, you can dress like a female and you can want to be a female. You will FOREVER be genetically male and a pathetic piece of shit crying about wanting to compete against females. “Trans” isn’t female and never will be. If you can’t compete against your genetic peers, find a hobby.
 
Scott m Shurson said:
LMAO! I’m not a republican, you fool.

Men have zero business competing in women’s sports. Period. You can think you’re female, you can dress like a female and you can want to be a female. You will FOREVER be genetically male and a pathetic piece of shit crying about wanting to compete against females. “Trans” isn’t female and never will be. If you can’t compete against your genetic peers, find a hobby.
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Tell it to the judge, like the slow whiny Karen of CT did.

If you can’t compete under the rules set forth by the sport’s governing body, find a hobby.
 
Amount of bio men becoming a woman to dominate in sports: zero.

amount of trans teens in America: less than .05 percent.

amount of trans teens in America going from bio male to female and also being good enough at a sport to dominate: even less that that.

is this really a pragmatic thing to worry about? And the EO doesn’t even single this issue out. It was spun by right wing fear mongerers as meaning this.

I don’t think bio boys should compete as females without really stringent guidelines. Lets spend our energy talking about those guidelines rather than arguing about an EO that didn’t even happen.
 
full90 said:
Amount of bio men becoming a woman to dominate in sports: zero.

amount of trans teens in America: less than .05 percent.

amount of trans teens in America going from bio male to female and also being good enough at a sport to dominate: even less that that.

is this really a pragmatic thing to worry about? And the EO doesn’t even single this issue out. It was spun by right wing fear mongerers as meaning this.

I don’t think bio boys should compete as females without really stringent guidelines. Lets spend our energy talking about those guidelines rather than arguing about an EO that didn’t even happen.
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We don’t know why they do it. Someone here, probably Outlaw or Sheriff Joe, pointed out that Bruce Jenner was a straight man, who became a woman to date another man that became a woman. Let’s not pretend that’s normal, sane or “zero” as a motivating factor. Nobody has any idea how you become that unstable.
 
full90 said:
Amount of bio men becoming a woman to dominate in sports: zero.

amount of trans teens in America: less than .05 percent.

amount of trans teens in America going from bio male to female and also being good enough at a sport to dominate: even less that that.

is this really a pragmatic thing to worry about? And the EO doesn’t even single this issue out. It was spun by right wing fear mongerers as meaning this.

I don’t think bio boys should compete as females without really stringent guidelines. Lets spend our energy talking about those guidelines rather than arguing about an EO that didn’t even happen.
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Both sides are being pre-emptive. The EO basically opens up the possibility of people challenging state and federal laws in court, allowing transgender women competing on women's teams. One side doesn't ever want that to happen, the other side does. The emotional response is usually seen from parents of younger athletes - middle school, high school, etc...

Policy is clearly laid out for higher level compeition (NCAA, IOC, etc). The runway is much longer for these athletes - 4 years to identify as a female and monitoring testosterone levels for at least 12 months or so prior to a competition. I figure the testosterone thing follows roughly WADA guildelines for any banned substance.

I could care less what happens at the NCAA, Olympic, or pro sports level - have at it. They have common sense rules in place to level the playing field. I think there is room for concern at the middle and high school level. And yes, I know statistics show that it doesn't happen often. I've seen enough boys/girls scrimmages to know that once boys turn 14, height, weight, and speed matters. I've seen enough injuries at these types of scrimmages.
 
happy9 said:
Both sides are being pre-emptive. The EO basically opens up the possibility of people challenging state and federal laws in court, allowing transgender women competing on women's teams. One side doesn't ever want that to happen, the other side does. The emotional response is usually seen from parents of younger athletes - middle school, high school, etc...

Policy is clearly laid out for higher level compeition (NCAA, IOC, etc). The runway is much longer for these athletes - 4 years to identify as a female and monitoring testosterone levels for at least 12 months or so prior to a competition. I figure the testosterone thing follows roughly WADA guildelines for any banned substance.

I could care less what happens at the NCAA, Olympic, or pro sports level - have at it. They have common sense rules in place to level the playing field. I think there is room for concern at the middle and high school level. And yes, I know statistics show that it doesn't happen often. I've seen enough boys/girls scrimmages to know that once boys turn 14, height, weight, and speed matters. I've seen enough injuries at these types of scrimmages.
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Those track, biking and weightlifting injuries are brutal. So much tripping by the transgender runners, which is hard to do from the front.
 
EOTL said:
Those track, biking and weightlifting injuries are brutal. So much tripping by the transgender runners, which is hard to do from the front.
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So what you are saying is biological boys are faster than biological girls? Just wondering where I mentioned track, biking and weightlifting? It still applies for all 3 - boys are bigger, faster, stronger.. Maybe not in your case? maybe you weren't bigger, faster, stronger than bio girls in middle and HS. Nothing to be ashamed of....

Could care less what happens in college, olympics, pro level.
 
Lavey29 said:
I will just leave this for Ewok

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Welp, it sure looks like it’s over for the ladies if Fox Spews says so. Finished rubbing one out fixating on Kevin whatever the f**k his name is’ letter?

So much losing. At the ballot box and on the track.
 
happy9 said:
So what you are saying is biological boys are faster than biological girls? Just wondering where I mentioned track, biking and weightlifting? It still applies for all 3 - boys are bigger, faster, stronger.. Maybe not in your case? maybe you weren't bigger, faster, stronger than bio girls in middle and HS. Nothing to be ashamed of....

Could care less what happens in college, olympics, pro level.
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Yeah, and nobody cares about your fake hypothetical about something that hasn’t and never will happen to your kid. How many hours have you spent trying to find a youth trans soccer player to trash?
 
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