Impeachment Hearings

A fun part of the hearing today:

The testimony of National Security Council official Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman grew tense Tuesday under questioning from Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif. -- as the impeachment hearing witness eventually scolded the top intelligence committee Republican for not addressing him by his military title.

The moment came amid a back-and-forth over the identity of the anonymous whistleblower whose complaint about President Trump's July 25 phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky led to the impeachment proceedings.

"Mr. Vindman, you testified in your deposition that you did not know the whistleblower," Nunes stated.

"Ranking member, it's Lieutenant Colonel Vindman, please," the witness responded.

Sergeant Hulka : You don't say "sir" to me, I'm a sergeant, I work for a living.
 
newwavedave said:
Ok boys, just got back from surfing. Waves excellent this morning :) I taped the circus and came away with this:

Adam's Rules Rule.
Someone broke the chain of command and handed someone a whistle
"Favor" in military life= Demand
Wrong=Wrong
Leaker?

Lie Detector Results so far: I see a smile or smirk when cross examined that doesn't sit well with me right now and talks a lot. Chain of command in any organization should be respected and followed. This smells fishy but I will try and stay open minded. When this gets moved to the Senate then we play the Due Process Way, not Adam's Rules...….
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These hearings will start to really sing when Sondland sings. So far, all you have is a president and his private attorney telling the head of a foreign country who desperately needs our financial support that he should investigate the US president's chief opponent for reelection. Americans know that's very bad.
Anti-American Trumpists are less concerned about it.
When an obvious major Trump supporter is faced with the choice of perjury (and jail, like so many others who have covered for Trump) and rolling over on Trump's bribery, let's see what he says.
 
messy said:
How many votes was what? Influenced by Russian trolls posing as "political activists" and political websites? We don't know. We just know that the Russians helped. There was a federal investigation, behind which Trump's AG "recused" himself, his lawyer went to jail, his campaign manager went to jail, his national security advisor went to jail. and on and on. How many close associates went to jail again? Roger Stone next?
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And?
How many of our current Congress members do you think could be jailed for any of their actions?
 
messy said:
These hearings will start to really sing when Sondland sings. So far, all you have is a president and his private attorney telling the head of a foreign country who desperately needs our financial support that he should investigate the US president's chief opponent for reelection. Americans know that's very bad.
Anti-American Trumpists are less concerned about it.
When an obvious major Trump supporter is faced with the choice of perjury (and jail, like so many others who have covered for Trump) and rolling over on Trump's bribery, let's see what he says.
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You already owe me a dinner, you want to try double or nothing?
 
Lt Col. Vindman's closing answer, with which I agree completely -- “This is the country I have served and defended, that all of my brothers have served and here, right matters.”
 
Hüsker Dü said:
t will be impeached, that's a far as that will go as Republicans in the Senate are afraid of repercussions from t and his rabid supporters. McConnell may attempt to simply ignore it.


"Impeachment was established by the framers of the Constitution as a way to accuse a president of a crime and to hold a trial to determine if he is guilty of that crime. The Constitution lays out two specific actions, treason and bribery, that could lead to impeachment and removal of a president from office."
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Investigation looking for crimes isn’t exactly what they had in mind.
 
newwavedave said:
What about the whistle? Who had it first and who has it now? I really want to know now.....
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"It's him, he's the one who has the whistle now. Go get him......"
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Since you seem to be ignorant of facts related to the question I asked, I'll help you out. The role of the IG in all government and military commands of which I am aware is to monitor the behavior of those in charge to insure that they are not abusing their powers. Included in that process is the investigation of notices and complaints which may even be anonymous. If the IG finds the report to be factual, he is empowered to take action up HIS chain of command. In addition to the traditional IG role (which for us goes back to Washington's Army, if you wish to do a little research), the current whistleblower protection laws (that's laws, as in passed by Congress and signed by the President) currently in force strengthen the position of a whistleblower by guaranteeing his anonymity and security, unless he volunteers to identify himself.

T knows who the whistleblower is, and his cluelessly criminal son has even posted it publicly. How come you don't know?
 
SO today, Devin (the cow-suer) Nunes brought in his star witness to back up t's position, and that witness pretty much agreed with the accusations made against t so far.

I understand that Nunes and Jordan have staked their careers on being t's butt-buddies, but it's a shame that they talked Ms Stefanik into sacrificing her bright career by joining them.
 
Sheriff Joe said:
And?
How many of our current Congress members do you think could be jailed for any of their actions?
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That's not really your response; you can do better than that. Is Trump just the only guy in history whom everyone wants to persecute? Is that why he did a $25mm settlement for his fraudulent university? Or the racially discriminatory housing settlement? And all his people seem to go to jail? Everybody does it?
 
messy said:
How could I not have known? Fine. But the dossier was accurate, so we're even. Sondland will be the tiebreaker. He rolls over; I win. He doesn't, you win.
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The " Dossier " was a pack of LIES and YOU cannot
substantiate ANY of the false accusations.......
 
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