Soccermaverick
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The anti vax movement in Europe is stronger than the US.. ah… leopards eating my face and consequences of my actions…
if you are unvaccinated and won’t wear a mask ….your breath is killing people… end of story
It's Just For Your Own Good !
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if you are unvaccinated and won’t wear a mask ….your breath is killing people… end of story
Soccermaverick
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As COVID-19 hospitalizations climb and residents seek care that they might have put off over the last year and a half, the Baker administration will next week begin requiring hospitals to roll back non-essential and non-urgent scheduled procedures if the number of available beds at the facility is limited.
The new order from Acting Public Health Commissioner Margret Cooke was developed in tandem with the Massachusetts Health & Hospital Association and is intended to ensure that hospitals maintain adequate capacity for immediate health care needs while they deal with “a critical staffing shortage” that has already fueled the loss of about 500 medical/surgical and ICU hospital beds across Massachusetts, the Baker administration said.
The order is effective Nov. 29. “The current strain on hospital capacity is due to longer than average hospital stays and significant workforce shortages, separate and apart from the challenges brought on by COVID,” Secretary of Health and Human Services Marylou Sudders said. “COVID hospitalizations in Massachusetts remain lower than almost every other state in the nation, but the challenges the healthcare system face remain, and this order will ensure hospitals can serve all residents, including those who require treatment for COVID-19.”
The new order from Acting Public Health Commissioner Margret Cooke was developed in tandem with the Massachusetts Health & Hospital Association and is intended to ensure that hospitals maintain adequate capacity for immediate health care needs while they deal with “a critical staffing shortage” that has already fueled the loss of about 500 medical/surgical and ICU hospital beds across Massachusetts, the Baker administration said.
The order is effective Nov. 29. “The current strain on hospital capacity is due to longer than average hospital stays and significant workforce shortages, separate and apart from the challenges brought on by COVID,” Secretary of Health and Human Services Marylou Sudders said. “COVID hospitalizations in Massachusetts remain lower than almost every other state in the nation, but the challenges the healthcare system face remain, and this order will ensure hospitals can serve all residents, including those who require treatment for COVID-19.”
Soccermaverick
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An Interview With Dr. Anthony Fauci (Published 2021)
America’s top infectious disease official discusses the state of the coronavirus, booster shots, mandates and the end of the pandemic.
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The Daily: An Interview With Dr. Anthony Fauci on Apple Podcasts
Show The Daily, Ep An Interview With Dr. Anthony Fauci - Nov 12, 2021
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Bruddah IZ
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And Everything to do with your denial of Science.
Bruddah IZ
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“You can’t make decisions based on fear and the possibility of what might happen.”--Michelle Obama's cliche
While I can’t speak for Ms. Obama, I assure you that my favorable posting of her remark was not, contrary to your interpretation, a “rash call to ignore risks.” Of course risks must be accounted for. And also of course, the higher the risk of harm from any particular source, the greater should be the amount of precaution taken against that source.
But this reality – this counsel of prudence – doesn’t mean that it’s acceptable to overreact to any one risk. After all, it’s typically the case that the greater the precaution you take against risk X, the greater becomes your exposure to risks Y and Z. And so if you focus exclusively on risk X you ignore these other risks. Therefore, while you might succeed in your narrow effort to reduce as much as possible your exposure to risk X, you’ll be unaware of your resulting higher – and likely excessive – exposure to other risks.
I posted that photo at my blog as evidence that in a more-sane era – namely, before March 2020 – there was popular understanding that an action is not inadvisable merely because that action entails some risk. Yet too many people today ignore this truth on all matters related to Covid. Too many people today assume that no amount of risk, regardless of how small, of encountering Covid-19 is acceptable – and, therefore, that no price is too high to pay for even the minutest increment of reduction in the risks of encountering Covid.
This attitude is what I call Covid Derangement Syndrome. I’m convinced that this syndrome poses to society a far larger risk than does Covid itself. Against the latter we have vaccines (and, if we only had the good sense to use it, the option of Focused Protection); against the former we have too few defenses.
Sincerely,
Don
Bruddah IZ
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The Wall Street Journal reports on the growing resistance to Covidocratic tyranny in Austria. A slice:
“This is sheer madness: How long will we have lockdowns despite vaccination and despite all the restrictions we have put up with already?” said Elfi Cohen, a travel guide from Vienna who had to cancel all of her tours in the run-up to Christmas, the most lucrative season for her business.
Ms. Cohen will take her third coronavirus shot this week and so far has supported all measures, but is now losing hope that the pandemic can be managed with renewed restrictions, she said.
About two thirds of Austria’s nearly nine million residents are vaccinated, just under the average figure for the European Union but above the level in the U.S., according to Oxford University’s Our World in Data website. Yet its seven-day rolling average of new cases hit 1,531.7 per million people on Sunday, more than five times the U.S. level. Daily Covid-19-related deaths per million inhabitants hit a seven-day average of 4.88 on Sunday, according to the website, above the U.S., Germany, France and the U.K.
(DBx: To be certain that you don’t miss this last figure, I quote again: “Daily Covid-19-related deaths per million inhabitants hit a seven-day average of 4.88.” As a percentage of one million, 4.88 is 0.000488. The Austrian government is imprisoning that country’s entire population as it also demands that everyone be injected with a particular medicine when the seven-day average of Covid-19-related deaths, as a percentage of the population, is 0.000488. Why aren’t many more people up in arms about this madness?)
“This is sheer madness: How long will we have lockdowns despite vaccination and despite all the restrictions we have put up with already?” said Elfi Cohen, a travel guide from Vienna who had to cancel all of her tours in the run-up to Christmas, the most lucrative season for her business.
Ms. Cohen will take her third coronavirus shot this week and so far has supported all measures, but is now losing hope that the pandemic can be managed with renewed restrictions, she said.
About two thirds of Austria’s nearly nine million residents are vaccinated, just under the average figure for the European Union but above the level in the U.S., according to Oxford University’s Our World in Data website. Yet its seven-day rolling average of new cases hit 1,531.7 per million people on Sunday, more than five times the U.S. level. Daily Covid-19-related deaths per million inhabitants hit a seven-day average of 4.88 on Sunday, according to the website, above the U.S., Germany, France and the U.K.
(DBx: To be certain that you don’t miss this last figure, I quote again: “Daily Covid-19-related deaths per million inhabitants hit a seven-day average of 4.88.” As a percentage of one million, 4.88 is 0.000488. The Austrian government is imprisoning that country’s entire population as it also demands that everyone be injected with a particular medicine when the seven-day average of Covid-19-related deaths, as a percentage of the population, is 0.000488. Why aren’t many more people up in arms about this madness?)
Declines in immunity are just a thing. If your covid strategy is vaccine immunity, expect some amount of boosters. If your covid strategy is natural immunity, expect some repeat infections.
The disease is too new for anyone to be certain how many boosters, or how many repeat infections, are necessary.
But it doesn’t change much. Vaccines appear to need at least the 3rd shot, at least if you put the first two so close together. Therefore if you want to go to high risk places, you should keep up with the recommended boosters.
Why do you care about immuntity declines only for boosters? Seems you should be making a big stink about the repeated infection needed to keep natural immunity.
Remember when?
Two weeks to flat the curve
No Mask needed
Mask needed until jab is available
No mask if you get wo jabs
Free lotto tickets, free combo meals, $75 for each shot. Free donuts.
Fully Jabbed=Two Jabs
Fully Jabbed 2.0= Two Jabs + boosters
Mask forever because it keeps the flu away as well and frankly, it's better not to see anyone smile anymore.
No Vax=Fired
No Vax=No ride to college for sports ((huge financial loss of ride & future earnings too))
No Vax=No Thanksgiving with woke family & friends
What's next? How far down will the likes of Espola and Husker take our beautiful country that they want destroyed through hating others, cheating and lying?
Howard Stern is going to run for President!!
"Believe me, this here is the turning into a third world country because of these fucking morons we have living here, Howard said. "It's a sad commentary on my country. This is my country ((oh really?)). I've got too many morons living here. We could be past a lot of the COVID business."
Two weeks to flat the curve
No Mask needed
Mask needed until jab is available
No mask if you get wo jabs
Free lotto tickets, free combo meals, $75 for each shot. Free donuts.
Fully Jabbed=Two Jabs
Fully Jabbed 2.0= Two Jabs + boosters
Mask forever because it keeps the flu away as well and frankly, it's better not to see anyone smile anymore.
No Vax=Fired
No Vax=No ride to college for sports ((huge financial loss of ride & future earnings too))
No Vax=No Thanksgiving with woke family & friends
What's next? How far down will the likes of Espola and Husker take our beautiful country that they want destroyed through hating others, cheating and lying?
Howard Stern is going to run for President!!
"Believe me, this here is the turning into a third world country because of these fucking morons we have living here, Howard said. "It's a sad commentary on my country. This is my country ((oh really?)). I've got too many morons living here. We could be past a lot of the COVID business."
what-happened
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It's funny, this whole vaccine thing is kinda like wearable tech. Current vaccines are so yesterday. It's obvious to so many that current vaccines just aren't cutting it. Luckily we have this thing called science (not MSM science) that is looking at really important data from mulitple streams and trying to figure out how to make things better. It's as if the current vaccines are a stop gap. A decent one at that but not good enough. You can't booster your way out of a pandemic. We can barely get people to show up for yearly check ups. If you are relying on boosters to be safe, stay home.
By the way, repeated reinfection amongst those who were infected with covid sans vaccine is likley happening every single day. The beauty of T-cells is they work much harder behind the scenes, eliciting responses and clearing infections before they become detectable by current tests. Research is still being done on exactly why/how this is achieved. Unfortunately natural immunity is being politicized by many. Not much data available on re-infection after natural immunity. What's out there shows it's a rare occurence. When it does occure, similar trend lines happen- not deadly to the younger population, more so to the older population. Sound familiar.
But let's vaccinate healthy children, who are likely to have asymptomatic infections and generate robust and durable immunity/protection. Makes so much sense, so sciency. If you've had covid sans vaccine and aren't suffering lingering effects, you are 100 steps ahead of a vaccinated person. Get the vaccine if you want, won't hurt. If you are vaccinated and get covid, sweet.
What happened largely answered you. The open question with the boosters is if they fade. If it's a long time period (years) then we're probably o.k. If it's 6 months to a year, that opens the door (which Fauci has already talked about) for repeated boosters needed to keep cases (as opposed to disease/death) under control. At that point mandates become impractical. You are getting this resistance for a mandate for 2 shots already, the side effects for some people can be unpleasant, and we know flu shot uptake (which is far less unpleasant) is only about 50% (and some of that is late). Your mandate falls apart at that point and you get substantial resistance and civil unrest. As What happened said, at that point you can't boost your way out of the pandemic.
Natural immunity appears to last longer (no conclusive proof yet, but people infected in March 2020 are still showing good antibody levels). There's also the T-cell immunity which what-happened talked about. Natural immunity may vary depending on how severe of a case the person got, but on the whole seems to be pretty robust.
But you are correct...if both fade quickly, as I've said before, there is no such thing as herd immunity (short of the virus imploding like the Japanese study suggests in which case Trump will have turned out to be spectacularly and however stupidly right, except for the timing). The question, as you were the first to identify on these forums, is on a daily basis what % of people who have immunity are falling out of immunity....if that number is large then we are just chasing the dragon of herd immunity.
p.s. if severe disease is eliminated by the vax and natural immunity, what do you care about repeated covid infections??? You don't have a right to live your life free of a cold.
You can’t booster your way out of a pandemic? Really?
How bad was your most recent pertussis infection?
If you never had one, be sure to thank everyone around you for getting four boosters when they were healthy children. Those shots built up the T-cell based immunity you like to talk about.
We could also chose to drop vaccine requirements and subject ourselves to multiple waves of pertussis infection, which would provide natural immunity. That works, too. It just kills more people along the way.
Don't worry everyone, Bill is here to save the day. He cares for all of us and wants every soul to be safe. He's such a kind and caring person to so many of you. He is your leader thats for damn sure. Listen to Bill because he cares. I see his little smile and I can see how much he loves you guys WHO took him up on this jab life forever. His world is a world of Pandemics every year. He's like a life guard protecting us from virus waves of poison. Only he and his crew can help us to safety. Smallpox anyone? How about a Mix of so much magnets that they will pull any love of God you had out of your brain because they got into your blood. "It's just for your own good" the OP said and Bill is working behind the scenes to get the price down and make sure everyone is jabbed for their own good and those who make so much cash on this shit others lose jobs. This is getting intense and I think we will need a ref soon to get in between the right and the left.
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I don't know who you've been talking to, but this is a silly comparison. Pertussis is a bacterium and yes there are some similarities in transmission and presentation. Early on there was discussion about DTAP,kids, covid..but they quitely went away. Leave the kids alone as they say. Talk about a miracle in design...elementary school aged kids are walking petri dishes. Always infected with something. Apples and oranges and not worth a discussion.
Let me meet you halfway. Can we vaccinate/booster our way to endemic...sure, just like the flu. Unfortunately for many linear thinkers outside of sicency/medical people, there is a basic misunderstanding that this virus is so new that it's going to take time. Bottom line is we dont understand why this virus does what it does. We are in reaction mode. It's a good thing our bodies are such the marvel that they are, or we would all be dead. Current tech isn't going to get us where you want this to go. It's being proven all over the world.
Keep arguing R, masks, etc. It's not going away anytime soon. Consider yourself lucky if you have access to boosters and believe in the vaccine. There are soooo many people who will not take the vaccine, for many reasons (cultural, political, lack of knowledge) etc. Your part of the world is like a fuzzy blanket - familar and cozy to most folks who live there. You should be thankful your community is aligned in thought and pracice. There are large swaths of the country where it is opposite.
Now you are just gaslighting. 1. You know the pertussis injection does not have the same side effects or unpleasantness. 2. As I've written before, when my kid was very young (below fully vaxxed) he was exposed to pertussis from another baby who caught it from his nanny who was vaccinated but not adult boosted. 3. the pertussis vaccine in particular has not been perfect in recent years (when I had kids, they were recommending new parents and caregivers get boosted so they wouldn't pass it on to unvaxxed babies) 4. again the question is how many shots....if it's a flu shot, forget about it....you can't boost your way out of the pandemic....if 3 (maybe)....if 4 unlikely (would have been possible in an alt universe where public health did screw the pooch so badly but given the lack of trust now no way).
Rumor Mill is saying that this boss lady is looking to do a full lock down and forced jabs on everyone in her command or your ass will be put into private camps where Espola, Husker and EOTL will be in charge of security. Nothing to learn from history because history as we were taught was full of shit. That's right folks. We have ALL been played. This nice boss lady has given her head of states until Wednesday to decide to go full lockdown and prove you took the mark of the beast so you can buy & sell. The choice is your folks.
thehill.com
Germany mulls full lockdown, vaccine mandate
German officials are mulling the possibility of enacting stricter coronavirus restrictions across the country amid a surge in daily infections.Chancellor Angela Merkel called on German state heads …
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what-happened
GOLD
It's a silly comparison - gaslighting is a proper way to describe it. Dad is about 1 year behind in what is turning out to be a scramble to figure this virus out. We are still struggling to understand cyclical emergence of the virus. Plenty of good research is being conducted, just going to take time.
Polio (I know everyone oversuses Polio) is a better (not the best) comparison as far as treatment development. Took a long time. And it's still circulating in places.
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I " assume " you like Soccer, I do....
Please note the " rash " of unexpected heart problems affecting
just the Soccer Players in Europe and the UK.
It is very alarming. Very.
German Newspaper Shocked so Many Football Players Collapsed
Recently, Refuses to Point Elephant in the Room (eutimes.net)
A List of World Class Athletes Who Died Or Suffered Severe
Injuries After COVID-19 Vaccine : The COVID World
Posted 6th November 2021. From https://www.ukcolumn.org/community/
Dembele, 29, Atletico Madrid striker collapses in training, requires medical attention
Alex Apolinario, 24, Brazilian soccer player dies after collapsing on pitch during match: https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/ne...collapsing-on-pitch-during-match-in-portugal/
Britain’s Jack Draper, 19, collapses at Miami Open:
Mirko Kido, 36, Olympic gold medalist dies of heart attack during game: https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/s...es-star-kido-dies-heart-attack-36-2021-06-14/
Ghanaian referee collapses during AFCON Match:
Referee Bert Smith collapses on court due to blood clot during Gonzaga-USC men’s Elite Eight game: https://www.espn.com/mens-college-b...says-blood-clot-lung-caused-fall-ncaa-tourney
Josh Downie, 24, cricketer dies after heart attack at practice: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-57058626
Giuseppe Perrino, 29, ex-Parma footballer dies at memorial match after collapsing https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/15151824/giuseppe-perrino-dead-29-parma-brother/
Raymond van Barneveld collapses and receives paramedic attention during PDC Championship: https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/darts/pdc-players-championship-8-suspended-23759939
Devaraj Anchan, 33, volleyball player collapses during game, dies: https://www.thehindu.com/news/citie...ollapses-during-game-dies/article34185430.ece
Garissone Innocent, 20, fell unconscious due to abnormal electrical impulse in heart during game: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/13901939/goalkeepers-rushed-hospital-collapsing/
Ethan Jovani Trejo, 16-year-old soccer player, collapsed on the field during training: https://eu.cincinnati.com/story/new...ident-princeton-high-school-field/5344293001/
Samuel Kalu, 24, Bordeaux star collapses minutes into football game: https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/58228778
Roy Butler, 23, Irish footballer Watford FC dies after Jansen:
Dylan Rich, 19, FA Youth Cup – player suffered sudden cardiac arrest on the field, passes away: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-58496077
Vinny Curry, 33, out for season due to blood clots: https://nypost.com/2021/08/25/jets-vinny-curry-out-after-rare-blood-disorder-diagnosis/
Cameron Dale, 29, Australian sailor dies after catastrophic stroke: https://7news.com.au/sport/sailing/...udden-death-of-partner-cameron-dale-c-3845979
Two young Columbia High school footballers die: https://www.wistv.com/2021/09/04/he...ribute-wj-keenan-high-school/?outputType=apps
Bollywood’s star, 40, dies following heart attack https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...kla-40-dies-heart-attack.html#reader-comments
Tom Felton, 34, collapses during golf game: https://bbc.in/3i4YpI5?fbclid=IwAR0aZBaXpiX9ky34g3eLiG3pcMs5r2udih4kRGUIi7GOBK3iciefX1-qoXk
Francis Perron, 25, Ottawa footballer dies after game: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/usports-ottawa-gee-gees-francis-perron-dies-1.6182332
Parys Haralson, 37, former Saints line backer dies: https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...rmer-49-ers-and-saints-lb-dies-37/8328669002/
Jimmy Hayes, 31, former Bruins player unexpectedly dies: https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/08...er-bruin-boston-college-hockey-champ-dies-31/
Kjeld Nuis, 31, Dutch professional skater admitted to hospital with inflamed heart: https://www.rtlboulevard.nl/entertainment/news/artikel/5243606/kjeld-nuis-vaccinatie-ziek-update
John Stokes, 21, athlete at Tennessee Uni hospitalized with heart inflammation: https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/stu...tis-covid-vaccine-002451374.html?guccounter=1
Jake Ehlinger, 20, found dead – cause unknown: https://usdaynews.com/celebrities/celebrity-death/sam-ehlinger-brother-death-cause/
Jeremy Chardy, 34, tennis pro cannot train or play after vaccine: https://www.tennisworldusa.org/tenn...ing-vaccinated-i-have-series-of-problems-now/
Francesca Marcon, 38, volleybal professional can’t play, has pericarditis post vaccine: https://www.lapressa.it/notiziario/sport/la-campionessa-di-volley-ho-una-pericardite-post-vaccino
Yusuke Kinoshita, 27, baseball pro dies 7 weeks post vaccine: https://thecovidworld.com/yusuke-ki...l-player-dies-7-weeks-after-covid-19-vaccine/
Alex Stalock, 34, NHL Oilers goalie out for the season due to heart condition: https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/nh...art-condition-covid-19-related-191817673.html
Ceylin Alvarado, 23, pro cyclists out for season due to blood complications: https://www.nu.nl/sport-overig/6160...-niet-in-actie-door-verstoord-bloedbeeld.html
Greg van Aevermat, 36, pro cyclist, loss of form since vaccine: https://www.indeleiderstrui.nl/wiel...eft-wk-geen-zin/amp?__twitter_impression=true
Three young Belgian cyclists suffer heart issues following race: https://rtv.be/artikels/jonge-kempense-wielrenners-krijgen-hartklachten-na-vaccinatie-a102612
Kamila Label-Farrel, 19, Uni Basketball Star died unexpectedly: https://www.baytoday.ca/obituaries/lebel-farrell-kamila-3884874
Jacob Downey, 19, Queens Uni Hockey player passes away after medical emergency: https://www.kawartha411.ca/2021/10/...passed-away-suddenly-after-medical-emergency/
Christian Eriksen, 29, Collapses at Euros due to heart issue
Josh Archibald, 28, Oilers hockey forward out indefinitely due to myocarditis: https://www.si.com/hockey/.amp/news/oilers-forward-josh-archibald-out-indefinitely-with-myocarditis
Jen Gouveia, 38, suffered cardiac arrest during a run: https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/husband-...-on-run-says-he-lost-his-everything-1.5501767
Kyle Warner, pro BMX cyclist has pericarditis post vaccine: https://youtu.be/aebtcTi7EaA
16 year old youth suffered cardiac arrest after weightlifting: https://www.straitstimes.com/singap...following-strenuous-weightlifting-session-six
Gaslighting is waaaay overused as a phrase. It has lost the original meaning of a deliberate attempt to convince others of a known falsehood. Now it just means " I disagree, therefore you are lying."
If you think I am wrong about repeated boosters causing longer lasting immunity, say so. Tell me why adults do not need MMR boosters, but kids do. I assumed it was because the single MMR shot decays more quickly than a series of MMR shots.
But take the time to think. Don't just say "oh, just gaslighting", and pretend that an accusation is a reasonable substitute for logical thought.
It won't go away soon. You have 20% of the population insisting on their right to act as a disease reservoir. They will get their wish.
As you said, it will become endemic. The question is just endemic at what level.