Protect the players

Me too.....a good friend's DD on the victorious team told me all about it.....dangerous play by teams is bad enough in a close game but when they are getting smashed 4-0 and still doing it it is even worse......and it's how that team "plays" on the regular......zero passing and smart soccer just kicking the ball AND the opponent to try and win at all costs and be damned development :(
It has to be the coach telling them to play this way, you don't have 4 or 5 players playing like this at the same time, throughout the game. If this had been a game between men or teenage boys, somebody, anybody in the offending team would have paid for it. And the worst part was a parent of that team by my side, a mother actually, dismissing everything and mocking the players on the ground.
 
Sounds exactly like an 05 ecnl team my daughter played a couple years ago the worst display of kickball bullyball I ever seen one of our girls got put in a chokehold from behind thrown to the ground good Judo toss with the ball at her feet foul called but not even a yellow. Xhaka would of been proud.
 
On a somewhat related note: I was out to shoot (photos) of three SCSL games today. The first one started with two refs running a dual but one of them left at halftime because he fell ill so the second half was solo. The second and third games were canceled because no refs showed up.
 
On a somewhat related note: I was out to shoot (photos) of three SCSL games today. The first one started with two refs running a dual but one of them left at halftime because he fell ill so the second half was solo. The second and third games were canceled because no refs showed up.

That's a bummer for everyone.

What venue and what flight teams was this for?

Do you think there should or could be something done such as compensation(parking refund, ref fees, etc) or at least a free reschedule when these kind of situation come up?
 
That's a bummer for everyone.

What venue and what flight teams was this for?

Do you think there should or could be something done such as compensation(parking refund, ref fees, etc) or at least a free reschedule when these kind of situation come up?
First game was flight 2 in Los Alamitos. Others were flight 1 in West Covina. Im not sure who is to blame here but I assume that the buck stops and starts which the league when it comes to providing refs.
 
First game was flight 2 in Los Alamitos. Others were flight 1 in West Covina. Im not sure who is to blame here but I assume that the buck stops and starts which the league when it comes to providing refs.ub
Maybe there is some culpability on the part of the league, but this is a much greater problem than just refs. It's nearly impossible to find employees currently. We schedule a handful of Zoom interviews and were lucky if one person shows up. College students can't get fed because the universities can't fill food service positions, restaurants are limiting hours or staying closed because they can't get help. It's hitting those businesses that were non-essential or closed during the pandemic the worst. Refs are part of this group. I also think all the new leagues that were created just before or during the pandemic hasn't helped either. Although, the number of teams participating may be the same or lower, I think the competition between leagues for refs isn't helping. We're fortunate in MLS Next in that through 5 games we've had full crews with the exception of our 1st game where we had to use a club linesman (poor guy). The ref crews have been solid.

As far as who is to blame, that's a better thread for the Off-Topic forum.
 
I see what you did there.

Today the two games I was at had a ref, an AR and a club linesman for both games.
My ref did four 9v9 games as a center with no AR's. All of the games at the complex only had one ref. He explained to two different groups of parents that they are partly to blame for the shortage of refs. He is thankful for the money but may start to refuse games at Robb Field due to the poor field conditions. He has twisted an ankle every time he refs there.
 
My ref did four 9v9 games as a center with no AR's. All of the games at the complex only had one ref. He explained to two different groups of parents that they are partly to blame for the shortage of refs. He is thankful for the money but may start to refuse games at Robb Field due to the poor field conditions. He has twisted an ankle every time he refs there.
So you're saying that Robb Field hasn't changed any? Haven't been there in a few years, but it used to be the farther you get away from the channel and closer to the road, the worse the fields.
 
So you're saying that Robb Field hasn't changed any? Haven't been there in a few years, but it used to be the farther you get away from the channel and closer to the road, the worse the fields.
Yep. Albion says it's the city's fault. The city doesn't really care. Too bad Albion is such a small club they can't afford to do anything about their crappy home fields.
 
Dang no fun in any of that.

Do you think the coach could or should have taken some action....speak to ref,. switch up, or anything that might have help defuse?

Can be very difficult to hold your tongue in certain circumstances but what outlet to parents really have? Speak to the coach at half?
I told a HSS ref to blow his whistle before halftime and he just smiled at me. He finally made his first call right before the end of the half. Insane because my kid and two others got whacked so hard their season was done.
 
I told a HSS ref to blow his whistle before halftime and he just smiled at me. He finally made his first call right before the end of the half. Insane because my kid and two others got whacked so hard their season was done.
You need to start Reffing. Your foul recognition is on point
 
You need to start Reffing. Your foul recognition is on point
Thanks man. My wife was at my kids last game. She rant into old dear friend from my dd old State Cup Championship team form 2015 glory days. Her dd has a nice ride to a big time college. However, soccer is all over for her. She just tore her other ACL. The game taught in America is super dangerous for girls. I lost count of the players my kid knows who have torn ACL, broken legs, concussions and the like. This is my last season and I am appalled at all the injuries. I think if coaches stop teaching kickball and teach possession ((pass the rock)) and the refs outlaw rugby, we will see less injuries.
 
Thanks man. My wife was at my kids last game. She rant into old dear friend from my dd old State Cup Championship team form 2015 glory days. Her dd has a nice ride to a big time college. However, soccer is all over for her. She just tore her other ACL. The game taught in America is super dangerous for girls. I lost count of the players my kid knows who have torn ACL, broken legs, concussions and the like. This is my last season and I am appalled at all the injuries. I think if coaches stop teaching kickball and teach possession ((pass the rock)) and the refs outlaw rugby, we will see less injuries.

Bummer for the player but at least they will honor the ride.

The college game is a whole another level in physical play with two games a week couple to three days apart making recovery challenging. The trainers are working double time.

Game before ours this past weekend had 37 fouls total between two teams 5 yellows but nothing out of the ordinary, like a typical game. They keep track of more stats in college. In club olders or high school never really saw those kind of stats so not sure In comparison but it's a different level of constant challenges.
 
Bummer for the player but at least they will honor the ride.

The college game is a whole another level in physical play with two games a week couple to three days apart making recovery challenging. The trainers are working double time.

Game before ours this past weekend had 37 fouls total between two teams 5 yellows but nothing out of the ordinary, like a typical game. They keep track of more stats in college. In club olders or high school never really saw those kind of stats so not sure In comparison but it's a different level of constant challenges.

The college game is played by bigger, faster players, so increased physicality is just physics. That is tempered in most cases by the fact that colleges can afford to hire better referees.
 
The college game is played by bigger, faster players, so increased physicality is just physics. That is tempered in most cases by the fact that colleges can afford to hire better referees.
Bingo. I think part of the problem is the unlimited substitutions. Many of the players that I’ve noticed in college are big and fast (female NFL type players) but I don’t think they would do well in a game with limited substitutions because I suspect they are not the greatest endurance athletes.

I think if substitutions were limited more marathon/basketball type athletes would be selected, better decision making would be emphasized, and injuries would go down.

If you have a college team of linebacker type female athletes that are instructed to go as hard as they can for 15 minutes before the next group of “linebackers” are substituted in, I think injuries and fouls substantially increase.
 
Bingo. I think part of the problem is the unlimited substitutions. Many of the players that I’ve noticed in college are big and fast (female NFL type players) but I don’t think they would do well in a game with limited substitutions because I suspect they are not the greatest endurance athletes.

I think if substitutions were limited more marathon/basketball type athletes would be selected, better decision making would be emphasized, and injuries would go down.

If you have a college team of linebacker type female athletes that are instructed to go as hard as they can for 15 minutes before the next group of “linebackers” are substituted in, I think injuries and fouls substantially increase.

Mass subs don't happen that much, many teams only play 4-5 subs but others will use 7.

Yellow card accumulation does get a one game suspension.

Regular times draws go into OT, playing 110miutes and you have to have endurance. There are players that have not be subbed at all season.

I do agree that the unlimited subs can be gamed and might as well just go the fifa route but the one entry per half does limit some of that. Not sure having limited subs reduce chance of injury, might be the opposite.. players are hurting or out of gas late but all the subs have already been used for example.

Check out the USC v UCLA women's showdown for title this Friday if you want to see how things really go.
 
Mass subs don't happen that much, many teams only play 4-5 subs but others will use 7.

Yellow card accumulation does get a one game suspension.

Regular times draws go into OT, playing 110miutes and you have to have endurance. There are players that have not be subbed at all season.

I do agree that the unlimited subs can be gamed and might as well just go the fifa route but the one entry per half does limit some of that. Not sure having limited subs reduce chance of injury, might be the opposite.. players are hurting or out of gas late but all the subs have already been used for example.

Check out the USC v UCLA women's showdown for title this Friday if you want to see how things really go.
Think USC takes this game. Despite their early loses their execution of play (direct) has been difficult for most anyone they have faced thus far. UCLA has not always executed as well as they should have. It seems USC can exploit this lack of commitment in UCLA's play. But, then again this is a rivalry and team analysis can be completely thrown away.
 
Think USC takes this game. Despite their early loses their execution of play (direct) has been difficult for most anyone they have faced thus far. UCLA has not always executed as well as they should have. It seems USC can exploit this lack of commitment in UCLA's play. But, then again this is a rivalry and team analysis can be completely thrown away.

My money is on UCLA....but it's going to be a humdinger of a close game
 
Back
Top