Question for Parents of Olders

I appreciate everyone’s feedback. It’s hard to tell what is best for my child as I did not play/nor do I know anything about soccer so this feedback has been very helpful as I navigate this club soccer world. My child gets a lot of playing time with every team he has been on but has been in a different position with each coach he has had so I wasn’t sure if it was time to find one position or continue to have him be versatile.
 
I wonder how many kids have flamed out at the striker position. The kid scores a million goals at the Ulittles, and the parents don't want them playing any other position, so they can't make it in the squad for a top team when they get older.

but, I pretty much agree with everyone , its more likely than not that they will be on teams throughout their career where someone on the team is better than them at their preferred position

There are a few pitfalls in the striker position:

-at u little a lot of coaches put a runner up there when the tactic is to just outrun the opponent. But the striker position is mostly about soccer iq. If the striker hasn’t developed it and is still trying to outrun opponents they won’t make a higher team later or they’ll get upgraded on their team. The striker needs to understand how to beat the trap since most likely it’s the striker who will be offside. Strikers more than any other position are about positioning and off ball movement.
-on the girls side body shape begins to change in puberty. Once the hips come in they may loose some of that speed. On the boys end while they don’t need the size of a cb they need some height or the gk will tear them up
-headers and poaching become much more important skills than shooting the ball. Because someone is a good shooter and could have belted it from outside the 18 against a learning keeper that doesn’t yet know how to catch doesn’t mean they are effective on headers, poaching or a running tap. The mechanics that need to be mastered are different
-it’s the rockstar position.any good players want to play it so the competition grows for fewer slots as you move up the ladder
 
My kid is a U13b so just started playing the big field. Limited roster and sometimes we only have 1-2 subs. Being able to play both in attacking and defensive positions is so important.
I’ve observed that kids that started out playing in front and scoring all the goals have a hard time playing give and go. This really shows on a big field. They don’t pass and can no longer just run through the other team.
 
Versatility is a great thing -- most kids along the way will run into someone better at their position than they are and will either then be moved to the bench or asked to switch a position or run into a coach that doesn't like how they play the position or their size for the position and get moved to another position. From HS to Club to ODP to PDP coaches see the world differently so the more you can bring to the table the better -- become as proficient from the left as the right, become comfortable attacking as well as defending. Embrace the entire game.
 
Confidence and inspiration matters more than position. For example, a coach that gives a centerback the confidence to carry the ball up the field and make a key pass or to lose the ball trying. These are rare coaches. Those are teams where the centerback becomes a midfielder and a forward can be a centerback, yet they are all happy. Better than the coach that puts your kid at forward and screams if he/she makes a mistake.
 
I wonder how many kids have flamed out
The early puberty crowd definitely gets all the attention at u14 and under, but as a well known local coach once said, you can't really predict how good a player is until after puberty. Most of those fast kids and big kids and the big&fast kids at u11 flame out by u16/17 when everyone else has caught up with equal levels of hormones and growth spurts. I can think of so many "goats" who were identified early by ODP, US Soccer, etc, who are now just meh, and being surpassed by others. Of course, US Soccer et al won't admit their mistake and drop them from consideration, but college coaches and pro scouts will see the difference.

This is true particularly of the striker role
Most misunderstood position in soccer. "My kid is big, fast, and has a strong leg...he's/she's a striker." Often heard quote. Then watch the kid play and they:
- can't pass with accuracy and touch
- can't see the field and know when to pass/dribble
- can't turn
- don't have good first touch
- don't make smart runs off the ball
- don't bring in their teammates
- don't have a good sense of timing - when to go, when to hold
- can't dribble in tight spaces
 
I would recommend playing multiple positions for as long as possible. My player has played all across the backline and now in the midfield in both an attacking and holding center mid role. She was often the player on her team who got moved around to fill spots as other got subbed off so it helped her to get a lot of playing time. She just attended her first college ID camp and in the 11v11 portion of the camp she played center mid and then the asst coach asked her to fill-in at center back and she was able to perform well in both positions.
 
Forget position for a minute. Learn how to juggle 1,000+ consecutive. Learn how to be really detailed with how you stretch and warm up. Learn how to collect the ball so it’s 2” from your feet not 2’. Learn how to shoot. Learn how to pass. If you dream of being the striker some day, perfect your side volley.

All of this has nothing to do with your team’s practice. This is on you. The younger the better.
 
The early puberty crowd definitely gets all the attention at u14 and under, but as a well known local coach once said, you can't really predict how good a player is until after puberty. Most of those fast kids and big kids and the big&fast kids at u11 flame out by u16/17 when everyone else has caught up with equal levels of hormones and growth spurts. I can think of so many "goats" who were identified early by ODP, US Soccer, etc, who are now just meh, and being surpassed by others. Of course, US Soccer et al won't admit their mistake and drop them from consideration, but college coaches and pro scouts will see the difference.


Most misunderstood position in soccer. "My kid is big, fast, and has a strong leg...he's/she's a striker." Often heard quote. Then watch the kid play and they:
- can't pass with accuracy and touch
- can't see the field and know when to pass/dribble
- can't turn
- don't have good first touch
- don't make smart runs off the ball
- don't bring in their teammates
- don't have a good sense of timing - when to go, when to hold
- can't dribble in tight spaces
this is accurate on every level , boy or girls.... its a marathon not a race and if your not putting in the extra effort every week, you will fall behind
 
Learn how to juggle 1,000+ consecutive.
An ex player & coach I know (played champions league and capped nationally, youth coach and now coaching a pro team who won their domestic league) used to crack up at the juggle infatuation. Sure you should be able to keep it up a few times, on each foot etc., but its all about being able to control the ball when you receive it, esp. in tight situations, and then about being able to put it where you intend to put it, either short, medium or long passes - or in the goal. You should be able to do that with both feet ideally. He would ping 20 & 30 yard passes to the kids and land it at their feet every time, without exception. I saw him play 6v6, small goals and he scored for fun, not by beating players, just by banging it into the corner (any corner) every time, flawlessly - both knees were done, couldn't run very much, overweight and you could see he was a zillion levels above every other coach on the field despite all of them having their played in college or played "pro" (US) creds, and being a decade or two younger than him.

He never did 100 juggles in the life apparently ...
 
An ex player & coach I know (played champions league and capped nationally, youth coach and now coaching a pro team who won their domestic league) used to crack up at the juggle infatuation. Sure you should be able to keep it up a few times, on each foot etc., but its all about being able to control the ball when you receive it, esp. in tight situations, and then about being able to put it where you intend to put it, either short, medium or long passes - or in the goal. You should be able to do that with both feet ideally. He would ping 20 & 30 yard passes to the kids and land it at their feet every time, without exception. I saw him play 6v6, small goals and he scored for fun, not by beating players, just by banging it into the corner (any corner) every time, flawlessly - both knees were done, couldn't run very much, overweight and you could see he was a zillion levels above every other coach on the field despite all of them having their played in college or played "pro" (US) creds, and being a decade or two younger than him.

He never did 100 juggles in the life apparently ...
Keep the juggling within context of the rest of what I said.

1000 is an arbitrary number cause if you can do that then you’re generally equipped to get the other stuff right with practice. What academy, college, semi pro, pro or national team player male or female today can’t juggle to 100?
Please keep it in context of the other stuff. I’m sure there are many other things that could be added to the list of stuff to perfect on your own…

Hands down best to be a versatile player. Makes me sad to see an 8 year old decked out in all the keeper gear.
 
An ex player & coach I know (played champions league and capped nationally, youth coach and now coaching a pro team who won their domestic league) used to crack up at the juggle infatuation. Sure you should be able to keep it up a few times, on each foot etc., but its all about being able to control the ball when you receive it, esp. in tight situations, and then about being able to put it where you intend to put it, either short, medium or long passes - or in the goal. You should be able to do that with both feet ideally. He would ping 20 & 30 yard passes to the kids and land it at their feet every time, without exception. I saw him play 6v6, small goals and he scored for fun, not by beating players, just by banging it into the corner (any corner) every time, flawlessly - both knees were done, couldn't run very much, overweight and you could see he was a zillion levels above every other coach on the field despite all of them having their played in college or played "pro" (US) creds, and being a decade or two younger than him.

He never did 100 juggles in the life apparently ...
Johan Cruyff: “Technique is not being able to juggle a ball 1000 times. Anyone can do that by practicing. Then you can work in the circus.
 
Johan Cruyff: “Technique is not being able to juggle a ball 1000 times. Anyone can do that by practicing. Then you can work in the circus.
We’ll I can’t argue with the true greatest of his time if not all time. :) .
But, I will ask…. And will give it a different name so as to stay away from circus references.. Could Johan Cruyff manipulate the ball in the air, using only feet, head, thighs, heels, shoulders? I bet he could.
 
Keep the juggling within context of the rest of what I said.

1000 is an arbitrary number cause if you can do that then you’re generally equipped to get the other stuff right with practice. What academy, college, semi pro, pro or national team player male or female today can’t juggle to 100?
Please keep it in context of the other stuff. I’m sure there are many other things that could be added to the list of stuff to perfect on your own…

Hands down best to be a versatile player. Makes me sad to see an 8 year old decked out in all the keeper gear.
The rest was fine, its the juggling that's annoying. I think it was Zuoma, CB for Chelsea, who said he'd never done more than 5 juggles in his life.

Instead of juggling, use a wall or rebounder to play against. Its all about control, control, control. High ball / trap, low ball / kill, knee high / cushion, different speeds, different heights - game type "simulation", repetition and muscle memory, act/react instinctively. That's a far better use of time than juggling.
 
The rest was fine, its the juggling that's annoying. I think it was Zuoma, CB for Chelsea, who said he'd never done more than 5 juggles in his life.

Instead of juggling, use a wall or rebounder to play against. Its all about control, control, control. High ball / trap, low ball / kill, knee high / cushion, different speeds, different heights - game type "simulation", repetition and muscle memory, act/react instinctively. That's a far better use of time than juggling.
Juggling needs to be done with purpose beyond just making it to a certain number. Most touches should be low, but the high juggling helps to learn to control high balls. Juggling while walking and better yet running is very helpful to control the ball in many situations. Players should be able with just their dominant foot and with just their non-dominant foot, all the while doing the low, high and juggling while moving. Of course other skills should be worked on and more time should be spent on horizontal ball movement drills than juggling. But juggling skills are helpful anytime the ball is not on the ground.

Regarding versatility, I cannot see a downside to being able to play multiple positions. DD started at outside back, moved to center back, then center mid, then forward, then outside mid and is now back at forward as her main positions over the years. During all of that she occasionally moved to other positions as needed and even played at keeper as an older in a National Cup game (and did NOT like it, even though she only let in a shot most keepers wouldn't stop).
 
At what age did your child end up in the position that they are playing? Is it better to be versatile or set in one position?
It’s better to be versatile. My son plays center mid, wing and full back. In his new team he was a backup winger until the coach asked who wanted to start as full back, he raised his hand and has been a starter ever since.

It also allows for those moments where there’s one substitution and actually two changes in the field (e.g. he’s a fullback, a winger is substituted but the new kid gets in as fullback and my son transferred to wing).

There was one game where the coach decided to change to a line of three defenders, and still he remained in the field as one of the three.

The coach can place him in any of those positions at any moment, so he has more minutes of play.
 
I appreciate everyone’s feedback. It’s hard to tell what is best for my child as I did not play/nor do I know anything about soccer so this feedback has been very helpful as I navigate this club soccer world. My child gets a lot of playing time with every team he has been on but has been in a different position with each coach he has had so I wasn’t sure if it was time to find one position or continue to have him be versatile.
There is a crazy balance you and your child need to achieve between what position they want to play and what position they may be best inclined to play. You also need to keep in mind the inexact of science of prediction. Will they stop growing at 5'5 or be 6'4. Are they a possession type player or will they do better playing direct. The best possession cm I know just switched teams since his new coach plays direct and he has been a possession player his whole career. No matter what, you will need to be flexible and pivot many many times.
 
There is a crazy balance you and your child need to achieve between what position they want to play and what position they may be best inclined to play. You also need to keep in mind the inexact of science of prediction. Will they stop growing at 5'5 or be 6'4. Are they a possession type player or will they do better playing direct. The best possession cm I know just switched teams since his new coach plays direct and he has been a possession player his whole career. No matter what, you will need to be flexible and pivot many many times.

I guess my next question to parents of olders is... How did height and size effect your player?
 
I guess my next question to parents of olders is... How did height and size effect your player?

If you look on the boys end, the height and size of the player determines a lot about flight level until about high school. The fact is the older the boy (more likely to be bigger and taller), the easier it is for them to play a higher flight. Two reasons for this: the taller the frame, the bigger the leg span, gives an advantage for speed; and soccer is a physical sport and a bigger mass means its harder to be body checked off the ball. If you compare the bronze teams and the gold teams at say age 12, you'll notice that the gold teams are most definitely taller on average. Boys mature later than girls and their growth doesn't begin to level off until age 16-18, so by the end of high school this is no longer as much of a factor but it definitely still is going into high school and late bloomers are definitely at a disadvantage during the recruitment years. It also doesn't wipe away the years of advantage the taller kids have going in, though for some early bloomers, sometimes puberty isn't very kind.
 
If you look on the boys end, the height and size of the player determines a lot about flight level until about high school. The fact is the older the boy (more likely to be bigger and taller), the easier it is for them to play a higher flight. Two reasons for this: the taller the frame, the bigger the leg span, gives an advantage for speed; and soccer is a physical sport and a bigger mass means its harder to be body checked off the ball. If you compare the bronze teams and the gold teams at say age 12, you'll notice that the gold teams are most definitely taller on average. Boys mature later than girls and their growth doesn't begin to level off until age 16-18, so by the end of high school this is no longer as much of a factor but it definitely still is going into high school and late bloomers are definitely at a disadvantage during the recruitment years. It also doesn't wipe away the years of advantage the taller kids have going in, though for some early bloomers, sometimes puberty isn't very kind.
I don't think the statement about smaller boys at a young age is true. Lots of great flight 1 teams with smaller players at young teams. Smaller boys play different positions and have to be more agile. The 7-9th grade years is when size becomes an issue because puberty comes later for some and may create a 1.5 feet height difference. If your player has not developed great footskills and quickness, the puberty years can be tough. If your player is having a hard time hanging with bigger players during puberty, it's not a bad idea to drop a flight or two until they can handle it. Some small players can hang and some can't. Be realistic and observant as a parent. It's ok to drop off to another flight to protect your child and prepare him for the future. Don't let flight dictate the puberty years, let growth and development do it. When your child is 16, that's when scouts start paying attention unless they're an early bloomer and already 6 feet by 14. Some kids will get noticed first but others will remain noticed once they hit their stride. Scouts know about puberty too.

If your player was never fast or quick...it's very unlikely they will develop that skill after puberty. They will get faster and quicker but so will the other players, therefore your player will still be slower than others. Yes, there are exceptions to this but it's a very small %. Uncoordinated small kids generally grow up to be uncoordinated tall adults.

My son wasn't always the tallest or biggest but he was quick. When he grew legs, he became fast because he was always able to move his legs quickly. I've seen most of the boys do the same through puberty.
 
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