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Ellejustus said:
I wouldnt compare level of play between HS and club. It's a social, fun and cool thing to do. Then you go out and try and beat a rival. Not about tier 1 or flight two or Elite or Premier. It's just fun and that's all that matters to my little baby girl and a medal at the end like a CIF Championship :)
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I get it and don't disagree with you. HS soccer varies by state, by city, by zip codes. It's more fun than skill. To the point above, there is nothing pretty about the HS game and it certainly brings a fair share of "rougher" play. I don't mind tough, hard nosed play, but rough and tumble, kick ball futbol lends itself to a style of play that is inherently more dangerous. The kids tend to have less soccer IQ, don't play well off the ball, have little impetus when on the ball except to kick it as far down the field as possible, and have little regard when it comes to committing hard fouls. Just my observation.
And yes, I do not endorse HS soccer at all, at least in my neck of the woods. Normally one sided games, plenty of whistles, mouthy players, and exasperated refs. And of course there are us parents. If my DD wants to play, I will go and watch. Like I said before, I hope she listens to her coach.

If you are a HS coach, sorry, nothing personal and not your fault.
 
happy9 said:
I get it and don't disagree with you. HS soccer varies by state, by city, by zip codes. It's more fun than skill. To the point above, there is nothing pretty about the HS game and it certainly brings a fair share of "rougher" play. I don't mind tough, hard nosed play, but rough and tumble, kick ball futbol lends itself to a style of play that is inherently more dangerous. The kids tend to have less soccer IQ, don't play well off the ball, have little impetus when on the ball except to kick it as far down the field as possible, and have little regard when it comes to committing hard fouls. Just my observation.
And yes, I do not endorse HS soccer at all, at least in my neck of the woods. Normally one sided games, plenty of whistles, mouthy players, and exasperated refs. And of course there are us parents. If my DD wants to play, I will go and watch. Like I said before, I hope she listens to her coach.

If you are a HS coach, sorry, nothing personal and not your fault.
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Some girl teams my dd team played were rough and tough. Palos Verdes was hard core and not pretty style but they tried hard and had Ganas and that was cool. My dd team would play possession every time if the other team agreed to it. The problem, most teams dont know how and will give that up to try and win. Girls are very competitive and they play to win. Four the record, I'm just a dad who loved high school sports when I was teen. I started every game I played. No championships. I did coach some hoops back in the day and I think I could have been a good high school PE teacher, health teacher and varsity hoops coach.
 
happy9 said:
I get it and don't disagree with you. HS soccer varies by state, by city, by zip codes. It's more fun than skill. To the point above, there is nothing pretty about the HS game and it certainly brings a fair share of "rougher" play. I don't mind tough, hard nosed play, but rough and tumble, kick ball futbol lends itself to a style of play that is inherently more dangerous. The kids tend to have less soccer . IQ, don't play well off the ball, have little impetus when on the ball except to kick it as far down the field as possible, and have little regard when it comes to committing hard fouls. Just my observation.
And yes, I do not endorse HS soccer at all, at least in my neck of the woods. Normally one sided games, plenty of whistles, mouthy players, and exasperated refs. And of course there are us parents. If my DD wants to play, I will go and watch. Like I said before, I hope she listens to her coach.

If you are a HS coach, sorry, nothing personal and not your fault.
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An example of what can happen. A friends son had signed his NLI, senior year, high school team was in CIF playoffs and an opposing player took this player out from the back. He had to be carried off the field on a stretcher, sent to hospital in an ambulance. He had a serious back injury, cracked vertebra and disk injury. Took him months to recover. He was able to come back and play all four years of D1 soccer, but this was terrifying for him and his parents. School spirit is great, his high school team had a lot of club players but once they went to CIF playoffs things really became physical. If your kid is a high level player, there are multiple sports your kid can participate in that won't cause serious injury if they really want that.
 
Copa9 said:
An example of what can happen. A friends son had signed his NLI, senior year, high school team was in CIF playoffs and an opposing player took this player out from the back. He had to be carried off the field on a stretcher, sent to hospital in an ambulance. He had a serious back injury, cracked vertebra and disk injury. Took him months to recover. He was able to come back and play all four years of D1 soccer, but this was terrifying for him and his parents. School spirit is great, his high school team had a lot of club players but once they went to CIF playoffs things really became physical. If your kid is a high level player, there are multiple sports your kid can participate in that won't cause serious injury if they really want that.
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Hijacker.....lol!!! Copa News is all fear based. Yes, HS Soccer can be a little chippy and is not for the faint of heart. Attention all high school athletes. If you play baseball, football, basketball and other sports, you risk injury and in some cases, death. My friends son was in a big JV rival game last year and someone under cut him and he landed on his head. Ambulance came and he got a concussion. He also got one in football so now he's only surfing with the risk of a shark attack. He still is planning on playing Varsity Hoops this year in the Spring. No more football, now that is dangerous and I hear causes brain damage.
 
Ellejustus said:
Hijacker.....lol!!! Copa News is all fear based. Yes, HS Soccer can be a little chippy and is not for the faint of heart. Attention all high school athletes. If you play baseball, football, basketball and other sports, you risk injury and in some cases, death. My friends son was in a big JV rival game last year and someone under cut him and he landed on his head. Ambulance came and he got a concussion. He also got one in football so now he's only surfing with the risk of a shark attack. He still is planning on playing Varsity Hoops this year in the Spring. No more football, now that is dangerous and I hear causes brain damage.
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There is a "little chippy" and then there is reckless play because players are targeted by lesser skilled players who have no other way to compete. We should want better soccer than this because it drives the most talented players away from the high school game. Poor coaching, ignorant and overzealous play due to lower skill leads to more athletic and overtly physical play and ruins the potential of HS soccer.
 
Mullet said:
There is a "little chippy" and then there is reckless play because players are targeted by lesser skilled players who have no other way to compete. We should want better soccer than this because it drives the most talented players away from the high school game. Poor coaching, ignorant and overzealous play due to lower skill leads to more athletic and overtly physical play and ruins the potential of HS soccer.
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My dd has played club at the highest level and her small little school has to compete in D1 league but D3 for CIF. We need better refs to call a tighter game a flag the girls who get confused with rugby. If we get better players and coaches and refs, then we can have some fun free soccer. It wont be perfect soccer but what soccer is played well in America?
 
Messi>CR7 said:
High school sports are meant for kids who want to participate in athletics and represent their schools. If you find the level and the style of play below your typical club standard, keep in mind that many of those kids' parents did not pay $2,500+/yr for 8 years like many of us on this forum.
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And there is nothing wrong with that for kids who don't play club but club players not wanting to get injured because players don't know how to properly play the game is not turning ones nose up.
 
Mullet said:
There is a "little chippy" and then there is reckless play because players are targeted by lesser skilled players who have no other way to compete. We should want better soccer than this because it drives the most talented players away from the high school game. Poor coaching, ignorant and overzealous play due to lower skill leads to more athletic and overtly physical play and ruins the potential of HS soccer.
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I agree. However, I would also add that the same applies to most elite clubs. You can’t squeeze blood from a turnip but elite clubs are trying. In other words, most of elite club soccer sucks and is dangerous too.
 
MacDre said:
I agree. However, I would also add that the same applies to most elite clubs. You can’t squeeze blood from a turnip but elite clubs are trying. In other words, most of elite club soccer sucks and is dangerous too.
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I'm talking about reckless/dirty play. All sports have an assumed level of danger to them. There are certainly players at all levels who are reckless but the higher the overall level of play the less reward there is to playing recklessly. This does not mean that a player does not target another player for a level of retribution but in general that has not been my experience at the higher levels of youth soccer overall.
 
MacDre said:
I agree. However, I would also add that the same applies to most elite clubs. You can’t squeeze blood from a turnip but elite clubs are trying. In other words, most of elite club soccer sucks and is dangerous too.
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A requirement to track injuries in all youth sports would help.

Something as simple as “2000 girls played ECNL in California last year. They had 156 moderate to severe concussions and 207 ACL surgeries.”. Or whatever the real numbers are.

Have to make it by level, so top teams can’t hide their injury rates behind all the rec players.
 
Mullet said:
I'm talking about reckless/dirty play. All sports have an assumed level of danger to them. There are certainly players at all levels who are reckless but the higher the overall level of play the less reward there is to playing recklessly. This does not mean that a player does not target another player for a level of retribution but in general that has not been my experience at the higher levels of youth soccer overall.
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I saw reckless players in both club and high school but more in high school I will admit. I saw a little Sally the club girl player kick another girl in the back of the leg when the ref wasnt looking. Sally usually got what she wanted from her daddy and she wanted to score goals and win but her team was losing to my dd state cup champion team and she wanted to taste victory too but she couldn't so she kicked our players and yelled at them and her teammates. High school I saw a girl a few years ago get her scalp ripped off in CIF game. A guy ref told me that girls play way dirtier, rougher then boys and that's why so many injuries and kickball.
 
Mullet said:
There is a "little chippy" and then there is reckless play because players are targeted by lesser skilled players who have no other way to compete. We should want better soccer than this because it drives the most talented players away from the high school game. Poor coaching, ignorant and overzealous play due to lower skill leads to more athletic and overtly physical play and ruins the potential of HS soccer.
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So true. High school soccer is close to talentless.
 
If there’s no club season this year, and you (the parent) has to choose between HS soccer and small instructional group training but no games, which would it be?
 
Giesbock said:
If there’s no club season this year, and you (the parent) has to choose between HS soccer and small instructional group training but no games, which would it be?
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That's a tough one, let me think through that and post my response at the end of the day :)
 
CaliKlines said:
So true. High school soccer is close to talentless.
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The skill level in high school soccer can vary greatly. I have seen some teams that are not good and others that can compete with top SoCal club teams. Their school has had multiple players committed to D1 and D2 colleges throughout the years. We are fortunate to have a great program at my kid's high school and look forward to watching those games way more than watching club. My kids love it and are already talking about high school for this upcoming season.
 
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