What's your best guess as to when trainings will resume?

MamaBear5 said:
Everything I have ever learned/taught about immune system tells me that people who have had the virus/vaccine will be immune to the current covid strain that is circulating. The CDC/WHO can't come out and say with 99% accuracy because there hasn't been any big studies yet. Between those that have had it and when the vaccine comes out we will be able to fully move on with life and death rates/infections will fall.

That said we can get the flu/common cold every year because they mutate. Covid will mutate. But that doesn't mean that when it mutates we will be back in the same situation. Studies have shown that the flu vaccine while not 100% effective against all strains of the flu does help mediate immune response and reduce the length of illness for all flus (as does having had and recovered from the different flus). The reason why the old people didn't get hit as hard during H1N1 is because it was similar to the spanish flu and therefore the older generation had some immunity.
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This is useful context. I am weary of sensational headlines such as, "8 People re-infected ...", "The vaccine might not work", "Having anti-bodies may not give immunity", implying these are reasonably expected outcomes. We have already found out that "re-infected" is due to a shortcoming in the testing.
 
Kante said:
Thx for this. Any sense on length of immunity or is that tbd, as we wait for more data?
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That is a "more data needed". I am guessing that if they get a good vaccine, that the covid will be wrapped up in our seasonal flu shot. For a long time (not sure if its still the case) the seasonal flu shot contained the H1N1 vaccine as well as the seasonal variants that were showing in asia (the flu season starts in asia and moves west....every year they look at the variants in asia and base our seasonal vaccine off those variants).
 
Surf trying by delaying until August:
surfcupsports.com

Surf Cup - Surf Cup Sports

The San Diego Surf Cup continues to be the premier summer tournament for youth soccer, featuring the top teams in the nation and drawing the attention of thousands of spectators while attracting more than 500 college coaches and scouts.
surfcupsports.com surfcupsports.com

"After careful consideration, acknowledgment of the phased re-opening and input from our partners, government officials, and college coaches, the decision has been made to change the dates for our Summer Surf Cup events"

So close to Man City cup in Sept , moved already from memorial so wonder how this might play out?

Cal south didn't sound so sure with this week's reminder email about the continued suspension and state stay at home orders. Although there new president says he's working to get things back open.
 
jpeter said:
Surf trying by delaying until August:
surfcupsports.com

Surf Cup - Surf Cup Sports

The San Diego Surf Cup continues to be the premier summer tournament for youth soccer, featuring the top teams in the nation and drawing the attention of thousands of spectators while attracting more than 500 college coaches and scouts.
surfcupsports.com surfcupsports.com



Cal south didn't sound so sure with this week's reminder email about the continued suspension and state stay at home orders. Although there new president says he's working to get things back open.
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CalSouth's communication seems directed at teams that have gotten caught practicing. Just IMHO.
 
jpeter said:
Surf trying by delaying until August:
surfcupsports.com

Surf Cup - Surf Cup Sports

The San Diego Surf Cup continues to be the premier summer tournament for youth soccer, featuring the top teams in the nation and drawing the attention of thousands of spectators while attracting more than 500 college coaches and scouts.
surfcupsports.com surfcupsports.com

"After careful consideration, acknowledgment of the phased re-opening and input from our partners, government officials, and college coaches, the decision has been made to change the dates for our Summer Surf Cup events"

So close to Man City cup in Sept , moved already from memorial so wonder how this might play out?

Cal south didn't sound so sure with this week's reminder email about the continued suspension and state stay at home orders. Although there new president says he's working to get things back open.
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This is interesting, considering it will actually happen.....is Surf Cup will be a local tournament this year? Will they drop hotel stay requirement?
I truly believe team training (full contact) and games will resume before August, but travel and hotels may still be an issue for traveling teams.
 
Eagle33 said:
This is interesting, considering it will actually happen.....is Surf Cup will be a local tournament this year? Will they drop hotel stay requirement?
I truly believe team training (full contact) and games will resume before August, but travel and hotels may still be an issue for traveling teams.
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Surf also becomes 4 games instead of 5. That's not enough for 4 groups plus playoffs.

Either it is single elimination, or it is only 8 teams.

Travel is also worse for coaches. The out of area coaches are looking at 2 trips instead of 1.
 
Chalklines said:
Ventura & SB should be close behind with their low numbers
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dad4 said:
Surf also becomes 4 games instead of 5. That's not enough for 4 groups plus playoffs.

Either it is single elimination, or it is only 8 teams.

Travel is also worse for coaches. The out of area coaches are looking at 2 trips instead of 1.
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Showcase format instead of playoffs now likely

Surf burned clubs for the Thanksgiving event, with a couple of 20 min half games on wet fields so hopefully this is not another money grab.

75% or something like that stated said they are unlikely to travel any time soon. D1 is back to preseason training by then if things open up so not sure how many non local types will actually show?

Seems like a gamble and surf is taking on some risks in this one but maybe they can pull it off? With the new timeline 20-21 cards will be required so USclub players & teams should be fine but Cal South ones have to get back open and insured. Some assuming going I guess hoping things will get resolved in time.
 
jpeter said:
Surf burned clubs for the Thanksgiving event, with a couple of 20 min half games on wet fields so hopefully this is not another money grab.
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Surf or any other tournament that gets rained out didn't burn anybody. All tournaments state in the rules what happens when weather interferes. Read the rules before you sign up for a tournament. If you don't like them, don't play in them, but all tournaments have basically the same weather rules. Surf is an impressive club, but they don't control the weather and they can't instantly provide turf fields when it rains. When you sign up for a tournament (or a league for that matter) you are gambling on the weather. All tournaments are money grabs, that is why they exist.
 
outside! said:
Surf or any other tournament that gets rained out didn't burn anybody. All tournaments state in the rules what happens when weather interferes. Read the rules before you sign up for a tournament. If you don't like them, don't play in them, but all tournaments have basically the same weather rules. Surf is an impressive club, but they don't control the weather and they can't instantly provide turf fields when it rains. When you sign up for a tournament (or a league for that matter) you are gambling on the weather. All tournaments are money grabs, that is why they exist.
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To your point, Surf actually did accommodate at least some games on wet fields. Other tournaments would not do that.
 
jpeter said:
Showcase format instead of playoffs now likely

Surf burned clubs for the Thanksgiving event, with a couple of 20 min half games on wet fields so hopefully this is not another money grab.

75% or something like that stated said they are unlikely to travel any time soon. D1 is back to preseason training by then if things open up so not sure how many non local types will actually show?

Seems like a gamble and surf is taking on some risks in this one but maybe they can pull it off? With the new timeline 20-21 cards will be required so USclub players & teams should be fine but Cal South ones have to get back open and insured. Some assuming going I guess hoping things will get resolved in time.
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can you define what a showcase format is? And are they likely to apply it it youngers?

Most of the tournaments I have seen are still group stage + playoffs.
 
Eagle33 said:
To your point, Surf actually did accommodate at least some games on wet fields. Other tournaments would not do that.
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Wasn't involved or had a team in but the feedback I received was clubs & teams felt shorted or burned they way it was handled. 2 games total for 40 minutes each on wet fields seems like a bunch of money and time spent for basically one full game.

Weather was forecasted correctly and they know the complex fields don't drain well but still insisted on playing and didn't have any alternative dates or backup plans so yes those that sign up are assumption some of the risks but I think I would not be happy to travel for one game but pay for 3.
 
dad4 said:
Surf also becomes 4 games instead of 5. That's not enough for 4 groups plus playoffs.

Either it is single elimination, or it is only 8 teams.

Travel is also worse for coaches. The out of area coaches are looking at 2 trips instead of 1.
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I mean this in the politest way possible, who cares! The coaches stay and per diem are paid for by the team. This will finally get the kids out of the house and some activity in a sport they all like or love playing. Spending time with their friends at the hotel, making memories, having some games. It honestly doesn't matter how many games they play, win or lose, it will just be good to see them out there. After the past 2-3 months, that sounds great.
 
dad4 said:
can you define what a showcase format is? And are they likely to apply it it youngers?

Most of the tournaments I have seen are still group stage + playoffs.
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4 games total each team regardless of outcome or standings.

Last game of the 4:matchups determined by the standing: 1v2, 3v4, etc. No traditional playoffs: quarters, semi, etc.
 
I am hearing a lot of teams will resume June 1st.

Also, can anyone from blues or surf explain how Man city cup (moved to labor day weekend) and blues cup (has always been labor day weekend) are on the same days and claim they are using the same fields? I am just curious how that will work?
 
SoccerGuru said:
I mean this in the politest way possible, who cares! The coaches stay and per diem are paid for by the team. This will finally get the kids out of the house and some activity in a sport they all like or love playing. Spending time with their friends at the hotel, making memories, having some games. It honestly doesn't matter how many games they play, win or lose, it will just be good to see them out there. After the past 2-3 months, that sounds great.
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It may change whether it makes sense to do Surf or play up at a local tournament.

A lot to be said for sleeping in your own bed.
 
SoccerGuru said:
I am hearing a lot of teams will resume June 1st.

Also, can anyone from blues or surf explain how Man city cup (moved to labor day weekend) and blues cup (has always been labor day weekend) are on the same days and claim they are using the same fields? I am just curious how that will work?
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My guess (and it's only that) is Blues will use Oceanside and Man City will use Polo fields. Both tournaments will be significantly smaller due to decreased number of out of State teams.
 
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