Don't have pride for your kids

From Psychology Today...

One of the ways I try to help parents make this distinction is by comparing pride to admiration. While pride refers to a feeling we have for someone as they relate to us, admiration exists independently of this connection.

When parents over-involve themselves with their child’s activities or achievements, they can actually act as a barrier between the child and his or her unique experience. Very often, parents connect to their child in ways that are unintentionally intrusive or possessive. This can be a hard pattern to catch on to, because something like coaching or attending every basketball game your child plays in sounds like a good thing. However, there’s a difference between watching the games and emotionally involving yourself in every win or loss. Parents who shout at the ref from the sidelines or whose mood depends on their child’s performance are treating the game as if they’re playing it themselves.

Parents should try to be attuned to how caught up they feel in their child’s achievements and wary of the times when they cross the line from appreciating their child as a separate person and feeling like the child is almost a part of them—that the child’s achievements are their achievements. For example, when a child is drawing, there’s a big difference between the parent saying, “Look at all the shapes you’re making. I really like the blue triangles. Can you show me how you drew that?” and saying, “Wow, that’s so beautiful. You’re mommy’s little artist. I’m gonna show everybody what you drew for me.” I’ve talked about the problems with offering a child false praise, but one major issue is that it can make a child feel like the achievement isn’t their own—like it’s really all about the parent. This can have a negative effect on the child. I’ve known several kids who’ve actually dropped out of activities they used to love—a sport they excelled at or art forms they were involved in—just because they felt their parent had taken over.

Another problem with pride is that it can come off as pressure. As parents, we can be demanding and critical or praising and prideful, but both sides of the coin can have the same effect; they can make our child feel pressured and disconnected from their own undertakings and accomplishments. Children may feel they have to achieve in order to win their parent’s love. They may feel the added pressure of the parent’s own expectations and how they reflect on their parent.

Parents don’t intentionally do this to hurt their child. Sometimes, they offer praise and build-up in an effort to be encouraging. Perhaps, they didn’t feel supported by their own parents as kids, and they have a tendency to try and compensate. Parents over-involvement with their child’s accomplishments can also stem from parents not feeling good about themselves. They may turn to their children to provide them with self-esteem. They may have a need for their child to accomplish things for which they never had the opportunity or support in an attempt to be connected to the accomplishment.

Parents can catch on to ways they may be over-connecting by noticing when they feel extra attached to their child’s interests or are starting to have that feeling that the child is an extension of them. They may see their child as reflecting on them and feel either overly critical and embarrassed or prideful and accomplished. Children often feel hurt when they don’t feel seen by their parents. When parents only see themselves and their hopes and dreams in their child, they’re robbing themselves of the real joys of knowing their child, and the child is missing the essential experience of being known.
 
From Psychology Today...

One of the ways I try to help parents make this distinction is by comparing pride to admiration. While pride refers to a feeling we have for someone as they relate to us, admiration exists independently of this connection.

When parents over-involve themselves with their child’s activities or achievements, they can actually act as a barrier between the child and his or her unique experience. Very often, parents connect to their child in ways that are unintentionally intrusive or possessive. This can be a hard pattern to catch on to, because something like coaching or attending every basketball game your child plays in sounds like a good thing. However, there’s a difference between watching the games and emotionally involving yourself in every win or loss. Parents who shout at the ref from the sidelines or whose mood depends on their child’s performance are treating the game as if they’re playing it themselves.

Parents should try to be attuned to how caught up they feel in their child’s achievements and wary of the times when they cross the line from appreciating their child as a separate person and feeling like the child is almost a part of them—that the child’s achievements are their achievements. For example, when a child is drawing, there’s a big difference between the parent saying, “Look at all the shapes you’re making. I really like the blue triangles. Can you show me how you drew that?” and saying, “Wow, that’s so beautiful. You’re mommy’s little artist. I’m gonna show everybody what you drew for me.” I’ve talked about the problems with offering a child false praise, but one major issue is that it can make a child feel like the achievement isn’t their own—like it’s really all about the parent. This can have a negative effect on the child. I’ve known several kids who’ve actually dropped out of activities they used to love—a sport they excelled at or art forms they were involved in—just because they felt their parent had taken over.

Another problem with pride is that it can come off as pressure. As parents, we can be demanding and critical or praising and prideful, but both sides of the coin can have the same effect; they can make our child feel pressured and disconnected from their own undertakings and accomplishments. Children may feel they have to achieve in order to win their parent’s love. They may feel the added pressure of the parent’s own expectations and how they reflect on their parent.

Parents don’t intentionally do this to hurt their child. Sometimes, they offer praise and build-up in an effort to be encouraging. Perhaps, they didn’t feel supported by their own parents as kids, and they have a tendency to try and compensate. Parents over-involvement with their child’s accomplishments can also stem from parents not feeling good about themselves. They may turn to their children to provide them with self-esteem. They may have a need for their child to accomplish things for which they never had the opportunity or support in an attempt to be connected to the accomplishment.

Parents can catch on to ways they may be over-connecting by noticing when they feel extra attached to their child’s interests or are starting to have that feeling that the child is an extension of them. They may see their child as reflecting on them and feel either overly critical and embarrassed or prideful and accomplished. Children often feel hurt when they don’t feel seen by their parents. When parents only see themselves and their hopes and dreams in their child, they’re robbing themselves of the real joys of knowing their child, and the child is missing the essential experience of being known.

Some parents may go to the extreme with pressure on their kids, but I feel pressure is good. I want my kids to handle pressure and actually, I want them to enjoy and get excited about it. Handling pressure well is how you cope with life. I know what worked for me as a kid and I wish my parents were half as involved as I am with my own in their school and their additional activities. My pressure on my girls is on the work though not game performance. So long as she tries her hardest which she normally does as she does not like to lose, I never give her grief after and we have a cool off period after every game where we only talk if she wants to.

There is a balance to all of this. Pressure is good, but the parent has to be mindful of not making it negative is all. Winning is very important, but not at all costs and not to the point where you let it make these challenges in life too stressful to be fun. I do want my kid to appreciate and work hard for all the work I put into her club soccer demands. Any kid in club socccer is very fortunate to gain the access, so reciprocal hard work is mandatory in my house.

Now regarding pride and the parent's involvement. Sport audiences get wrapped up and emotional when they watch their teams. I know several people whose moods change when their favorite football, soccer, or baseball teams lose or win. I certainly don't feel the way I do, because my child is an extension of me. I just know how hard the team works and I have a lot invested in time, money, and LOVE for the team and my daugher. I like seeing their hard work turn into w's, but I do also know to not let it ruin my day or get nasty when we lose. Again, I apply a little pressure to train and learn after losses though. I never want losing to become normal or o.k. It's o.k. to lose, but it's not o.k. to get comfortable doing it.

My oldest gets straight A's with several honor's classes. I encourage her like my club soccer girl to do so. I reward her for being in honors and she gets double rewards for straight A's. She is not an extension of me with this. I was a fool in high school, but she is not making up for me. Her performance affects my mood too, but only, because I want her to be successful and happy in life. This goes for the club soccer child too. I think overall I know what works for my kids who I am responsible for in life.

I would just also add as far as so cal. soccer clubs in the 8 to 10 year old levels, I've not seen this parental rage and line crossing. I've seen yelling at refs., but you see that in all sports. We parents just happen to be very close to the game and refs. compared to bleacher sports. If you want to see pressure and potential connection issues, go watch "Friday Night Tikes" on Netflix. I'm sure those who agree with this initial post opinion would consider it child abuse.

Sure, some can be over involved, but I see things much different than this opinion. We parents are basically our kid's agents and know what's best for them and that's why we're involved. It's not pride for me nor is it admiration! My kid shows up and gets to play a sport she loves while I drive and pay for everything. I want to admire her performance from her hard work and that is what I enjoy seeing the most. I also like to see our team develop and win to show that they are getting good training and skills from their club team. People need mentors and kids need parents for guidance. A select few parents may just want to learn to learn to tone it down a notch and keep it fun even with a loss. I hate losing and I want my kid to hate it too, but I want her to accept it and move on fast. No point in losing twice!
 
Some parents may go to the extreme with pressure on their kids, but I feel pressure is good. I want my kids to handle pressure and actually, I want them to enjoy and get excited about it. Handling pressure well is how you cope with life. I know what worked for me as a kid and I wish my parents were half as involved as I am with my own in their school and their additional activities. My pressure on my girls is on the work though not game performance. So long as she tries her hardest which she normally does as she does not like to lose, I never give her grief after and we have a cool off period after every game where we only talk if she wants to.

There is a balance to all of this. Pressure is good, but the parent has to be mindful of not making it negative is all. Winning is very important, but not at all costs and not to the point where you let it make these challenges in life too stressful to be fun. I do want my kid to appreciate and work hard for all the work I put into her club soccer demands. Any kid in club socccer is very fortunate to gain the access, so reciprocal hard work is mandatory in my house.

Now regarding pride and the parent's involvement. Sport audiences get wrapped up and emotional when they watch their teams. I know several people whose moods change when their favorite football, soccer, or baseball teams lose or win. I certainly don't feel the way I do, because my child is an extension of me. I just know how hard the team works and I have a lot invested in time, money, and LOVE for the team and my daugher. I like seeing their hard work turn into w's, but I do also know to not let it ruin my day or get nasty when we lose. Again, I apply a little pressure to train and learn after losses though. I never want losing to become normal or o.k. It's o.k. to lose, but it's not o.k. to get comfortable doing it.

My oldest gets straight A's with several honor's classes. I encourage her like my club soccer girl to do so. I reward her for being in honors and she gets double rewards for straight A's. She is not an extension of me with this. I was a fool in high school, but she is not making up for me. Her performance affects my mood too, but only, because I want her to be successful and happy in life. This goes for the club soccer child too. I think overall I know what works for my kids who I am responsible for in life.

I would just also add as far as so cal. soccer clubs in the 8 to 10 year old levels, I've not seen this parental rage and line crossing. I've seen yelling at refs., but you see that in all sports. We parents just happen to be very close to the game and refs. compared to bleacher sports. If you want to see pressure and potential connection issues, go watch "Friday Night Tikes" on Netflix. I'm sure those who agree with this initial post opinion would consider it child abuse.

Sure, some can be over involved, but I see things much different than this opinion. We parents are basically our kid's agents and know what's best for them and that's why we're involved. It's not pride for me nor is it admiration! My kid shows up and gets to play a sport she loves while I drive and pay for everything. I want to admire her performance from her hard work and that is what I enjoy seeing the most. I also like to see our team develop and win to show that they are getting good training and skills from their club team. People need mentors and kids need parents for guidance. A select few parents may just want to learn to learn to tone it down a notch and keep it fun even with a loss. I hate losing and I want my kid to hate it too, but I want her to accept it and move on fast. No point in losing twice!

Winner...
 
This would be the perfect use for the Dumb button. @way up thanks for joining the Dumb club with Luis..."So long as ..... I never give her grief." Get your own life and stop living through a child.
LOL! Way to keep it classy Fact! Yes, I expect her to try her hardest. You got me. Welcome to the ignore club!
 
LOL! Way to keep it classy Fact! Yes, I expect her to try her hardest. You got me. Welcome to the ignore club!
Expecting your child to try her best is one thing, but giving grief takes it to a new classless level.
 
Expecting your child to try her best is one thing, but giving grief takes it to a new classless level.

Here is what I wrote Fact.

" So long as she tries her hardest which she normally does as she does not like to lose, I never give her grief after and we have a cool off period after every game where we only talk if she wants to. "

How do you comprehend this any other way than I expect her to try her hardest and I NEVER GIVER HER GRIEF AFTER (meaning after a game) and we have a cool off period after every game??
 
Here is what I wrote Fact.

" So long as she tries her hardest which she normally does as she does not like to lose, I never give her grief after and we have a cool off period after every game where we only talk if she wants to. "

How do you comprehend this any other way than I expect her to try her hardest and I NEVER GIVER HER GRIEF AFTER (meaning after a game) and we have a cool off period after every game??
What happens when she is not "normal" and does not try hard. Love that I am in your head too. Wait, I thought you put me on ignore. LOL!
 
What happens when she is not "normal" and does not try hard. Love that I am in your head too. Wait, I thought you put me on ignore. LOL!

Yeah, this is also the illustration of why the pendulum has swung too hard over from the boomers raising their kids and the 90s AYSO days of everyone wins a trophy/everyone plays together. They are kids. They don't have emotional regulation. Sometimes, they are going to be sleepy, or not feeling well, or just not into soccer, and don't want to try hard. But we've turned soccer into a job, where kids are expected to perform every time, regardless of their emotional/physical/mental wellbeing. That's something which is expected of an adult, not a child.

Way up also brings up straight As. That's another thing that's changed. Kids are now expected to bring in straight As. They can't make mistakes. They can't have an off week. God forbid a crisis intervenes that breaks up the straight As, whether a mental health issue, illness or death in the family. Not accusing Way up of demanding the straight As, but when did this become the expectation academically even for just above average kids?...straight As should be something (if it's a competitive program) which only the geniuses of the geniuses should be pulling in school (and they'll have other issues to boot and should probably be moved up anyways to something that's more of a challenge), not the expectation for regular kids college bound (and especially not those that are also athletes and putting in the time there).

I don't want it to go back to the days where everyone was declared a winner. I think competition and a little pressure are healthy. I kick my son in the butt when he isn't performing academically or on the field. But I also think by putting all the pressure we are giving kids these days, we are also robbing them of their childhood, and worse we are taking it from them younger and younger (e.g. competitive soccer for five year olds) and that can't be good either.
 
What happens when she is not "normal" and does not try hard. Love that I am in your head too. Wait, I thought you put me on ignore. LOL!

OMG! Like if she is sick or something or has an injury? Yikes, back to ignore Fact. You're in my head like a child is when they don't understand something. I am very balanced with my kid, but I expect her to try her hardest. You obviously missed the point. My emphasis on her soccer is in training and effort not performance. Development and hard work lead to good performance, SO I DON'T GIVE HER GRIEF IF SHE MAKES ERRORS OR STRUGGLES AT TIMES. My grief on her is working a little harder with me on whatever I see she needs work on. I expect her to work hard and understand if better results are not in her cards.
 
Yeah, this is also the illustration of why the pendulum has swung too hard over from the boomers raising their kids and the 90s AYSO days of everyone wins a trophy/everyone plays together. They are kids. They don't have emotional regulation. Sometimes, they are going to be sleepy, or not feeling well, or just not into soccer, and don't want to try hard. But we've turned soccer into a job, where kids are expected to perform every time, regardless of their emotional/physical/mental wellbeing. That's something which is expected of an adult, not a child.

Way up also brings up straight As. That's another thing that's changed. Kids are now expected to bring in straight As. They can't make mistakes. They can't have an off week. God forbid a crisis intervenes that breaks up the straight As, whether a mental health issue, illness or death in the family. Not accusing Way up of demanding the straight As, but when did this become the expectation academically even for just above average kids?...straight As should be something (if it's a competitive program) which only the geniuses of the geniuses should be pulling in school (and they'll have other issues to boot and should probably be moved up anyways to something that's more of a challenge), not the expectation for regular kids college bound (and especially not those that are also athletes and putting in the time there).

I don't want it to go back to the days where everyone was declared a winner. I think competition and a little pressure are healthy. I kick my son in the butt when he isn't performing academically or on the field. But I also think by putting all the pressure we are giving kids these days, we are also robbing them of their childhood, and worse we are taking it from them younger and younger (e.g. competitive soccer for five year olds) and that can't be good either.

Grace, there is a balance to all this like I said. I treat my girls like I would if they were boys. My style may not be for everybody and I probably also reward my girls too much for getting straight A's and working hard in soccer. That I am guilty of. My mom would call it bribing, but I see it as learning that hard work pays off. In the end, they are my girls and I am responsible for them in life. It's my job to keep them off the streets, confident, and ready to take on the challenge of life and that is my number one job in life, so I'd rather error on the side of being a little demanding rather than puppy dogs and ice cream. My opinion is the proof is in the pudding and I am so proud of my girls!

I see such a positive experience in girl's club soccer out there and it's natural for parents to go through the stages and process of raising competitive soccer kids. I do recommend a book called "Happy Feet" for parents though. You want them to enjoy and cherish the challenge and pressure and it's impossible to do that if you can't handle losing. Losing is part of the game, but it means you need to work harder in my house. Good luck everyone! We can have a discussion without calling each other "dumb" by the way.
 
This is a must-read post, oh Canada.

It's very much connected to this the families we've been on teams with over the years. All of us love our kids, but part of it is realizing their true level. My DDs when u-littles were on SD Surf top teams which were full of lil unicorns and each year certain kids would get bumped from the roster after a season where their parents had spent most of it complaining about their playing time, not starting, or position. I would say to them "well now your DD will get to play more which is what it's about". But no, they said it was because the coach had special relationships with certain families or was an idiot.... Truth was, on the top top teams it's about results and a roster kids that truly are elite or close to elite level and if kids were not that special level then the fit wasn't there. Yes, there are some coaches with relationships with certain families but more often than not that particular kid is a star. ...doesn't make it right, but it is what it is. Sometimes that kid is the one who has 40-yd-dash record in the county, sometimes they happen to come from a rich family, sometimes a dirt poor family. Always new kids wanting to take your DDs spot if DA/ECNL/USWNT/D1 is your goal....it just comes with the territory. Sometimes that's the right environment sometimes and slight drop in competition is the best thing for YOUR DDs HAPPINESS.....

My younger one has always been a rarely subbed starter but my older daughter was playing less and less with each season and I was able to see why - new ballers were joining each year and she wasn't dominating like she was when younger. We ended up moving from SD due to my work but when I spoke to coach about this before we left I asked him and he said she had fallen behind in several areas. Some coaches are asshats about this, or lie, but he explained clearly...I spoke with her about these shortcomings and she knew it, I wish I'd listened to her more rather than feed into something unrealistic and putting pressure on her..... I never thought I was doing this but I was. It turns out Around the same time she got a bad concussion and when she recovered she wanted to try and new sport which she's loving. Had SHE wanted to play soccer we'd have joined whatever team she wanted - whether it was a weaker DA or ECNL team than her old one, or even just a regular "flight 1" SCDSL team or similar....she is going to play HS though which will be a blast for her.....and me!!!!!!

I apologize for the rambling post.....hopefully most it makes sense......having been through this the psychology article above really hit me....my advice is don't feed into the culture of forcing your daughter to believe she's going to be a star, and she deserves to be a star. Just work hard and accept their are successes and setbacks, it's how you react to them....your kid might be cut from one team and join an even better one, or they may drop down a level and shine....Support your kid and try to really let them know that they can try to be stars but don't NEED to be stars, and just because they aren't necessarily good enough for certain teams doesn't mean they aren't wonderful young ladies and capable of so much in life and, even in soccer.....that's enough from me today back to my 13 year old who is perfectly healthily convinced she's going to be the next Mia Hamm...... :)
 
Does everyone here approach their kids academics the same way as far as getting them the best tutors, matching practice and game time with learning and studying as well as a balanced social life?
 
Seems like every parent wants their kid to be the goat. Does anyone hope n guide their kid to use soccer as a tool for a higher education or to become a better person etc., rather than hoping they play soccer to be the next Messi or Lloyd?
 
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