National Cup Boys 1999 Round of 16 tainted.

I just wish we had a better system to check on foreign kids playing in our tournaments especially in situations like this. I have a great story, When I was in the dorms at LB State, my first semester I was 17 and was able to buy a Blank Birth Certificate from USC medical for $20. I went to the DMV and had a fake ID since the age of 17. What makes anyone think that you can’t buy blank birth certificates in Brazil? My guess a little easier than in CA. or NY or anywhere in the US.

Sorry I got carried away, somebody needs to check on this before they eliminate half of our teams who have boys that are still trying to get into a college by way of National Cup, Regionals, US Championships. I would hate for one kid to not get recognized by a college just because they got eliminated by a team that really should not have been there. Again just my opinion !
 
I did a google search on wild card seeding changes. I found that other tournaments do change wild card seeds. Again this is not calsouth rules but it could be common practice.

Celtic tournament " In a division with ten (10) or twelve (12) team's, if the Wild Card and the 1st seed are from the same pool, then the play-offs will be seeded 1st vs 3rd, 2nd vs Wild Card. In divisions of ten (10) teams), if the 2nd and 3rd seeds played each other in pool play, then the play-offs will be seeded 1st vs 3rd, 2nd vs Wild. If the 2nd seed played both the 3rd seed and the Wild Card in pool play, then the play-offs will be seeded 1st vs Wild Card, 2nd vs 3rd. "
 
SoccerFan4Life said:
I did a google search on wild card seeding changes. I found that other tournaments do change wild card seeds. Again this is not calsouth rules but it could be common practice.

Celtic tournament " In a division with ten (10) or twelve (12) team's, if the Wild Card and the 1st seed are from the same pool, then the play-offs will be seeded 1st vs 3rd, 2nd vs Wild Card. In divisions of ten (10) teams), if the 2nd and 3rd seeds played each other in pool play, then the play-offs will be seeded 1st vs 3rd, 2nd vs Wild. If the 2nd seed played both the 3rd seed and the Wild Card in pool play, then the play-offs will be seeded 1st vs Wild Card, 2nd vs 3rd. "
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It has been said numerous times that tournaments do change seedings to give teams opportunities to play other teams. But this is not a one and done tournament that is meant for practice in theory. This is the finale with advancement potential to get the boys seen for the last time. And there is a lot more going on here than just reseeding.

For all those that don’t know about the Aneheim Surf overaged player in State Cup last year, look at the Girls 06 Forum, Page 3. The thread is titled “what’s going on with Cal South and State Cup Semi’s. Sorry my cut and paste is not working right.
Basically Aneheim Surf has an 05 player playing on their 06 girls team. Despite the girl's last coach informing Surf of her age they continued to play her. Finally getting caught during State Cup the entire team was disqualified and then for some reason reinstated but the girl in question did not play. Anaheim Surf went on to win State Cup. But if even 1 overaged player is used the entire team is supposed to be disqualified. No one is willing to explain why the team was reinstated but not the girl if everything was legit.

Now that same coach is in trouble for something much worse but I won’t go into that here for fear that this thread will be deleted.
 
Oh I would even better that timbuck, that is an old roster, kids who have played against them during that phase have said this team now is completely different with whole new players. I don’t have a line up card but I wonder if they are using same cards but different players. I would hate to say that, but I know players who have played against them in Coast League who say this team is completely different than when they played them in Coast. One more time, how does a squad not even win Coast Soccer League or maybe they did barely, all of a sudden win Dallas Cup? Just my thoughts! Oh and SoccerFan4Life who just posted above. Dude, who cares about WC teams and their placing. This isn’t even about placing in your minimal Celtic Tournament. This is about US Boys U19 kids still trying to get into college who might be on the verge, get eliminated by a PROFESSIONAL TEAM.
 
26 yr HS Coach said:
Oh I would even better that timbuck, that is an old roster, kids who have played against them during that phase have said this team now is completely different with whole new players. I don’t have a line up card but I wonder if they are using same cards but different players. I would hate to say that, but I know players who have played against them in Coast League who say this team is completely different than when they played them in Coast. One more time, how does a squad not even win Coast Soccer League or maybe they did barely, all of a sudden win Dallas Cup? Just my thoughts! Oh and SoccerFan4Life who just posted above. Dude, who cares about WC teams and their placing. This isn’t even about placing in your minimal Celtic Tournament. This is about US Boys U19 kids still trying to get into college who might be on the verge, get eliminated by a PROFESSIONAL TEAM.
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I would try to take down other kids in the club and ask them about it. Surely you can find someone that is disgruntled. Also make sure you check to see whether they are using the same names as they did during Coast League. If you want to see a picture of the team that won Dallas Cup, the team that won Surf Cup and the team that won CSL, they are on their website. I am looking on my phone but the team that won Surf looks much younger than the other 2 teams.
 
I like GunninGopher’s reply, he is pretty funny! I just wish someone would regulate this GS guy who thinks he can just do what he wants and bring in Ringers (Non US athletes with no purpose but to just win Major Tournaments) who could potentialy keep US born kids from getting scholarships in their own country by eliminating them from being seen at higher level games. I am saddened as an educator that this would happen. OP.... I hope your US born kids beat this Brazilian Team, I saw University of Pacific watching your boys last weekend and I hope that an Ugly Battle between you and the Brazilians don’t cause your boys to lose focus. I hope that your boys don’t lose a scholarship because you get taken out by CalSouth. Sorry please look back who Sotello was suppose to play.
 
I don’t know this man but younothat I think your post is too funny. Thank you, I will be down there in San Diego Area to support Sotillo tomorrow. Go US boys!!!
 
26 yr HS Coach said:
Oh I would even better that timbuck, that is an old roster, kids who have played against them during that phase have said this team now is completely different with whole new players. I don’t have a line up card but I wonder if they are using same cards but different players. I would hate to say that, but I know players who have played against them in Coast League who say this team is completely different than when they played them in Coast. One more time, how does a squad not even win Coast Soccer League or maybe they did barely, all of a sudden win Dallas Cup? Just my thoughts! Oh and SoccerFan4Life who just posted above. Dude, who cares about WC teams and their placing. This isn’t even about placing in your minimal Celtic Tournament. This is about US Boys U19 kids still trying to get into college who might be on the verge, get eliminated by a PROFESSIONAL TEAM.
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Do you realize how hard it is to make it to college and get any type of scholarship for boys? At this point if the kids have not been heard from a college to play soccer, they need to go to a community college. Heck, my nephew went to nationals and was a starter on a great team and he got nothing!!!! Unfortunately these kids need to compete against a wave of international soccer players.

If you guys believe that the other team is cheating, than show the proof and trust me that you will get a lot of us to support you. Heck, you can even call the LA Times to make story out of this and put CalSouth to shame. My post was just to state that wild card seeding changes do occur in many types of tournaments.
 
Thanks SocerFan4Life, but I know Whittier College just signed two kids after last week. There are kids that are still being picked up as we speak. I personaly saw UOP looking last weekend. I personaly know that my kid signed NAIA because he had a few D1, D2 schools that were giving $1-2K and Vanguard offered $30K both Academic/Athletic. We just took NAIA because it was full and not partial. My son in Dallas Cup got offered a few $K to play D2 in Colorado. As you speak, kids are still getting offers!!! Bite your tongue and hope for these boys best interest. I hope the Brazilian team doesn’t take away ONE SPOT because CalSouth seated this team different that what it should have been.
 
More of a question than a statement.

Do college coaches care who wins? It seems like they would be there to see players play and see how they think they would fit their system. Who they play and the result seem like something they don't care about.
 
After reading this I’m kind of glad my son decided to quit soccer. At age 14 I was starting to see this - teams clearly lying about their age (one team the guys had full muslces and were easily 16) The girls aide doesn’t have this issue thankfully!
 
Frank said:
More of a question than a statement.

Do college coaches care who wins? It seems like they would be there to see players play and see how they think they would fit their system. Who they play and the result seem like something they don't care about.
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I think they are saying that if the team goes out early, there will be less exposure.
 
Frank, its not about who wins and losses, my post was directed that there are still Colleges looking for 1 roster spot! If you had a son that had one more game to advance in and there happened to be one more college coach there, just think. My son’s team just happened to pickup a center back who has played on a less fortunate team during league play and CRL. He is now on a team that is headed to possibly meet up the the Brazilians in Semi-Finals. Because he has been on a less fortunate team up to this point and has moved to a higher level team, if they continue to move forward he will get more exposure. This HS Senior was in the CIF Finals D3, was selected All CIF, All County and was in the State Final game. He has no offer as of now because his exposure is just starting, his exposure might be limited because they might not win against the Brazilians in National Cup Semi-Finals. He might even be D1, D2 player but becaue of limitations. He might have to do Junior College. Not down playing JC but he deserves better. I hope he is not limited to just 2 more games.
 
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It has been said numerous times that tournaments do change seedings to give teams opportunities to play other teams. But this is not a one and done tournament that is meant for practice in theory. This is the finale with advancement potential to get the boys seen for the last time. And there is a lot more going on here than just reseeding.

For all those that don’t know about the Aneheim Surf overaged player in State Cup last year, look at the Girls 06 Forum, Page 3. The thread is titled “what’s going on with Cal South and State Cup Semi’s. Sorry my cut and paste is not working right.
Basically Aneheim Surf has an 05 player playing on their 06 girls team. Despite the girl's last coach informing Surf of her age they continued to play her. Finally getting caught during State Cup the entire team was disqualified and then for some reason reinstated but the girl in question did not play. Anaheim Surf went on to win State Cup. But if even 1 overaged player is used the entire team is supposed to be disqualified. No one is willing to explain why the team was reinstated but not the girl if everything was legit.

Now that same coach is in trouble for something much worse but I won’t go into that here for fear that this thread will be deleted.
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I seem to remember that a Cal South board member resigned without explanation soon after that.
 
According to the National Cup website, the "Brazilians" lost a game, won a game by forfeit, and won a game 8-1 over a team that won a game by forfeit and lost their other game 0-6.
 
26 yr HS Coach said:
Thanks SocerFan4Life, but I know Whittier College just signed two kids after last week. There are kids that are still being picked up as we speak. I personaly saw UOP looking last weekend. I personaly know that my kid signed NAIA because he had a few D1, D2 schools that were giving $1-2K and Vanguard offered $30K both Academic/Athletic. We just took NAIA because it was full and not partial. My son in Dallas Cup got offered a few $K to play D2 in Colorado. As you speak, kids are still getting offers!!! Bite your tongue and hope for these boys best interest. I hope the Brazilian team doesn’t take away ONE SPOT because CalSouth seated this team different that what it should have been.
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Congratulations. That's awesome for your kid. It's very tough to get scholarships so well deserved. If this "brazilian team" is truly illegal, then it's time to take action against the team and calsouth. You should take it to the press. Maybe someone has a connection to a reporter.
But first someone needs to find proof that they have illegal players. maybe the rest of the national cup teams in this age group protest and request calsouth to do something. Just saying.
 
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