Opinions on todays transgender players?

Sheriff Joe said:
Yes, the soon to be pardoned America Hero, Sheriff Joe.
Did you see my moniker picture?
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I clearly missed it... i guess we're also likely to disagree on defintion of 'great american hero', but this does put a few things in perspective for me...
 
TheIronCurtain said:
I clearly missed it... i guess we're also likely to disagree on defintion of 'great american hero', but this does put a few things in perspective for me...
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Wasting taxpayer money trying to prove without evidence that our first black president was born in Kenya, denying prisoners food and health care and racially profiling makes him an American hero? To racists, I guess.
 
chargerfan said:
Wasting taxpayer money trying to prove without evidence that our first black president was born in Kenya, denying prisoners food and health care and racially profiling makes him an American hero? To racists, I guess.
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Everybody who's seen one stroke from Joe's keyboard calls him a racist and he says we are all crazy. Ask him his opinion if scientists...we are in good company.
 
In my opinion, fairness is the issue. And yes I know we need to be sensitive to what a transgender adolescent is going through, but at whose expense?

Being transgender causes a fairness issue when a boy is identifying as a girl. There doesn't seem to be an issue when a girl wants to play as a boy or on a boys team because girls, even the best girls, aren't a threat to a high level male sport. However, even the average boy who identifies as a girl is better than most girls in any sport. That's where the unfair advantage occurs.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.dail...s-but-wouldve-placed-last-against-boys-video/

For example, what if your daughter was a great sprinter, worked hard everyday to beat the top girls and then finds out she will be racing a boy who identifies as a girl? How do you explain this to an adolescent girl who has given everything to be the fastest female possible to lose because someone is struggling with gender identity? Now if it was the reverse and a girl who identifies as a boy was racing boys, well different results for sure. Boys wouldn't be threatened, so it's easier to accept.

Just plain and simple, boys are made stronger than girls. Any average boy who identifies as a girl would beat most highly ranked females in any sport (track, tennis, golf, XC, swimming, soccer, wrestling, basketball, etc). Yes, the percentage of it happening is low but if you are that one or two top female athlete being beat by a boy identifying as a female, that would be devastating. How do you explain that to your adolescent daughter when she comes in second or third place to a girl with the muscles and build of someone who was born a boy? I'm sure most parents would sympathize with the adolescent who is struggling with gender identity issues, but we also have to go home and explain and calm our own adolescents going thru their own stuff. Life is hard for all of our kids finding their way thru life's challenges.

I am not against transgender adolescents playing sports, but we have to be sensitive to all adolescents and their hard work.

I'm not sure what the answer is to all of this, however, there are some things that need to be worked out in competitive sports especially female sports.

Again, just my opinion.
 
chargerfan said:
Wasting taxpayer money trying to prove without evidence that our first black president was born in Kenya, denying prisoners food and health care and racially profiling makes him an American hero? To racists, I guess.
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Who said he did all that? Obamas' justice department? The criminal Eric Holder? Now there is a racist for you.
Now protecting our border and Americans from illegal alien criminals is a crime?
Please. I am not sure if you know, but our jails are filled with illegals and we can't afford them. We can't even afford to take care of our own.
Send them all back AFSAFP.
 
Hdyldemapples said:
In my opinion, fairness is the issue. And yes I know we need to be sensitive to what a transgender adolescent is going through, but at whose expense?

Being transgender causes a fairness issue when a boy is identifying as a girl. There doesn't seem to be an issue when a girl wants to play as a boy or on a boys team because girls, even the best girls, aren't a threat to a high level male sport. However, even the average boy who identifies as a girl is better than most girls in any sport. That's where the unfair advantage occurs.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.dail...s-but-wouldve-placed-last-against-boys-video/

For example, what if your daughter was a great sprinter, worked hard everyday to beat the top girls and then finds out she will be racing a boy who identifies as a girl? How do you explain this to an adolescent girl who has given everything to be the fastest female possible to lose because someone is struggling with gender identity? Now if it was the reverse and a girl who identifies as a boy was racing boys, well different results for sure. Boys wouldn't be threatened, so it's easier to accept.

Just plain and simple, boys are made stronger than girls. Any average boy who identifies as a girl would beat most highly ranked females in any sport (track, tennis, golf, XC, swimming, soccer, wrestling, basketball, etc). Yes, the percentage of it happening is low but if you are that one or two top female athlete being beat by a boy identifying as a female, that would be devastating. How do you explain that to your adolescent daughter when she comes in second or third place to a girl with the muscles and build of someone who was born a boy? I'm sure most parents would sympathize with the adolescent who is struggling with gender identity issues, but we also have to go home and explain and calm our own adolescents going thru their own stuff. Life is hard for all of our kids finding their way thru life's challenges.

I am not against transgender adolescents playing sports, but we have to be sensitive to all adolescents and their hard work.

I'm not sure what the answer is to all of this, however, there are some things that need to be worked out in competitive sports especially female sports.

Again, just my opinion.
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Your priorities are way out of whack if you care that much about your daughter being the fastest 6th grade girl in her PE class. Let's deny transgender kids the chance to run a race because some parents can't stand if their children aren't first at something!

In our however many years of soccer, as many teams as we have played or watched, I have never seen or heard of a transgender girl coming out and completely destroying a team. It is almost like you guys are creating a threat based on no evidence whatsoever instead of admitting your prejudices?

For a group that throws out the term "snowflake" so much, you guys are really scared of your kids playing potentially stronger and better competition. Maybe you guys should toughen them up a little by throwing them in a coed league in off season.
 
chargerfan said:
Your priorities are way out of whack if you care that much about your daughter being the fastest 6th grade girl in her PE class. Let's deny transgender kids the chance to run a race because some parents can't stand if their children aren't first at something!

In our however many years of soccer, as many teams as we have played or watched, I have never seen or heard of a transgender girl coming out and completely destroying a team. It is almost like you guys are creating a threat based on no evidence whatsoever instead of admitting your prejudices?

For a group that throws out the term "snowflake" so much, you guys are really scared of your kids playing potentially stronger and better competition. Maybe you guys should toughen them up a little by throwing them in a coed league in off season.
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Who the fuck are you to be telling anyone their priorities are out of whack?
You can't even hold a conversation without ignoring the person you disagree with.
What is wrong with wanting your kid to be the best?
You must be in charge of passing out the participation trophies.
Man up, butter cup.
 
So I read the complete article

http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/04/t...s-but-wouldve-placed-last-against-boys-video/

Noted two things.

"As of April, Yearwood had yet to have a sexual reassignment surgery or take hormone and puberty blockers.". So physically still 100% boy.

"It feels really good,” said Yearwood to The Day. “I’m really happy to win both titles … I kind of expected it. I’ve always gotten first, so I expected it to some extent. … I’m really proud of it.”

So Yearwood destroys the competition, gets to be proud of the accomplishments, but our daughters need to learn to be fair to Yearwood even though physically still a boy. This is 9th grade. High School. Pretty sure after the race all the girls that competed felt they lost to a boy, not a girl. How is that helping everyone involved? Seems to have the opposite effect.
 
socalkdg said:
So I read the complete article

http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/04/t...s-but-wouldve-placed-last-against-boys-video/

Noted two things.

"As of April, Yearwood had yet to have a sexual reassignment surgery or take hormone and puberty blockers.". So physically still 100% boy.

"It feels really good,” said Yearwood to The Day. “I’m really happy to win both titles … I kind of expected it. I’ve always gotten first, so I expected it to some extent. … I’m really proud of it.”

So Yearwood destroys the competition, gets to be proud of the accomplishments, but our daughters need to learn to be fair to Yearwood even though physically still a boy. This is 9th grade. High School. Pretty sure after the race all the girls that competed felt they lost to a boy, not a girl. How is that helping everyone involved? Seems to have the opposite effect.
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Daily Caller is fake news, along the lines of Breitbart or Infowars. If you'd like me to read this article, you will have to find another source.
 
Chargerfan,

Here are my responses to your post:

"Your priorities are way out of whack if you care that much about your daughter being the fastest 6th grade girl in her PE class."

Not what I said at all.

" Let's deny transgender kids the chance to run a race because some parents can't stand if their children aren't first at something!"

Nope, didn't say that either.

"In our however many years of soccer, as many teams as we have played or watched, I have never seen or heard of a transgender girl coming out and completely destroying a team."

Didn't say that either.

" It is almost like you guys are creating a threat based on no evidence whatsoever instead of admitting your prejudices?"

Nope, not true.

"For a group that throws out the term "snowflake" so much, you guys are really scared of your kids playing potentially stronger and better competition."

I never once said Snowflake.

"Maybe you guys should toughen them up a little by throwing them in a coed league in off season."

Thanks for your wonderful input.


 
Hdyldemapples said:
In my opinion, fairness is the issue. And yes I know we need to be sensitive to what a transgender adolescent is going through, but at whose expense?

Being transgender causes a fairness issue when a boy is identifying as a girl. There doesn't seem to be an issue when a girl wants to play as a boy or on a boys team because girls, even the best girls, aren't a threat to a high level male sport. However, even the average boy who identifies as a girl is better than most girls in any sport. That's where the unfair advantage occurs.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.dail...s-but-wouldve-placed-last-against-boys-video/

For example, what if your daughter was a great sprinter, worked hard everyday to beat the top girls and then finds out she will be racing a boy who identifies as a girl? How do you explain this to an adolescent girl who has given everything to be the fastest female possible to lose because someone is struggling with gender identity? Now if it was the reverse and a girl who identifies as a boy was racing boys, well different results for sure. Boys wouldn't be threatened, so it's easier to accept.

Just plain and simple, boys are made stronger than girls. Any average boy who identifies as a girl would beat most highly ranked females in any sport (track, tennis, golf, XC, swimming, soccer, wrestling, basketball, etc). Yes, the percentage of it happening is low but if you are that one or two top female athlete being beat by a boy identifying as a female, that would be devastating. How do you explain that to your adolescent daughter when she comes in second or third place to a girl with the muscles and build of someone who was born a boy? I'm sure most parents would sympathize with the adolescent who is struggling with gender identity issues, but we also have to go home and explain and calm our own adolescents going thru their own stuff. Life is hard for all of our kids finding their way thru life's challenges.

I am not against transgender adolescents playing sports, but we have to be sensitive to all adolescents and their hard work.

I'm not sure what the answer is to all of this, however, there are some things that need to be worked out in competitive sports especially female sports.

Again, just my opinion.
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts... I don't disagree with the potential challenges you're describing... The International Olympic Committee has set rules governing this very issue in 2004, which I think are pretty fair, here's a brief synopsis:
  • They must have had gender reassignment surgery.
  • They must have legal recognition of their assigned gender.
  • They must have at least two years of hormone therapy.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brynn...letes-have-an-unfair-advantage_b_4918835.html -- feel free to ignore the "opinion" piece of the article...

Now, if the *real* issue is the perception of unfair advantage gained as a result of biological advantages, those advantages are gained as a direct result of testosterone, which is what helps your body produce muscle. In a child that hasn't gone through puberty, the levels of testosterone are about the same in both boys & girls, which is probably largely you don't see much athletic differences between until they enter pre-puberty stage of their life. So, if that's the case (and there's science to prove that), this "unfair advantage" would not really exist until a certain age, right? Kids that are transitioning, are receiving Hormone Blockers (or Hormone Replacement Therapy in some cases?) to get them better aligned with hormone level appropriate for their target gender. IOC recommends 2 years of hormone therapy to counteract any real affect of hormones on the athlete...

Again, for kids hormones have not produced any advantage from physicality POV yet, and surgical re-assignment is not appropriate until later in life...

I do not see this being an issue of personal opinions or feelings, though those do influence all of our thought process. I've defended my position, thus far, from a social perspective, where I do believe that exclusion in this case is unfair for a number of reason... but back to addressing the specific concern of unfairness, do you think the IOC rules are unfair? If so, why? If not, why do you feel they wouldn't apply to this discussion? Would proof of hormone therapy in said child be enough to address your concerns?
 
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