You call it (again)

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  1. coachrefparent

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    A friend asked me to post this (poor quality) video.

    You call it: Flop, PK, yellow, red, none of the above?

     
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    Looks like it is inside the area so PK. It’s definitely a DOGSO foul (very clumsy attempt by defender) and for me the defender also makes no attempt to play the ball and therefore it’s a red.
     
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    This
     
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    Assuming inside the area. PK. White player EJECTED.
     
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    There are cynical coaches, players, parents, spectators, etc out there who will say the defender did the right thing in stopping an easy attempt at goal.
     
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    You're right but as coaches we have to teach our players the right moments in which to occasionally be cynical (it's part of the game, whether we like it or not). This wasn't a moment to be cynical because the punishment should be a PK (and therefore likely a goal anyway) plus a red card so the team plays with 10 players. If it's 10 yards further back, it's probably a more 'intelligent' foul on behalf of the team in that area and potentially avoids a red card.
     
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    Age? If it's 2006 and below, I'm giving a penalty and a yellow. Anything above, then a penalty and a red.

    Ironically, would be more useful if the video wasn't slowed down, in my opinion.
     
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    The video gets better at the pivotal moment.
     
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    Just got original version:
     
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    Tough angle, but it looks like the attacker plays the ball first then taken out by the defender. If so, for me still a DOGSO red. I can see how some would judge a (poor) play for the ball by the defender, relegating this to a DOGSO yellow. If the attacker did play the ball before the tackle came in and a penalty wasn't given here, it's a real travesty.

    As I'm sure Surf ref will be along to post, the referee is nowhere to be seen. The AR seems behind play as well. Obviously, this can happen on a quick counter attack, but realize the most "desirable" result will not always come about if the referee is not up with play or doesn't have the correct angle. Because of that, I can imagine a no-call, a yellow, or a red being the ultimate decision on the field.
     
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    I assume it was a no-call on the field? I didn't hear a whistle, but it is cut off.
     
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    pretty hard to see but from what it looks like, red card for dogso and pk if inside the box. I guess it's conceivable that if it's in the box, some referee might go with the yellow, but i don't see that as a genuine attempt to play the ball.
     
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    Agree with you that n your assessment of the play/foul and DOGSO.

    The AR should have had a good view of the play and noticed the CR out of position, made eye contact, raised the flag, and when the CR blew the whistle the AR run to the corner flag if the foul occurred in the area. If I was out of position and chasing the play, I would also talk to my AR about the DOGSO. A referee trick is to not blow the whistle until within 20-25 yards from the play and continue running while whistling. By the time everyone looks at the CR they are very close to the foul spot and most people will not realize the referee was 40 yards away when the foul occurred.
     
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    So here's what happened: Semi- final game of State Cup Presidents. Referee made no call on the play (obviously no card). Offensive player in video was injured on the play, but later returned.

    Almost identical play happened in the box in the second half against the same player, no call. Other coach acknowledged that first and probably second were penalties.
     
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    I would think that a State Cup semi-final would have a good crew that could make that call.
     
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    Maybe a case of not wanting to decide a big game.
     
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    But he decided it by failing to make the call, and letting the defense take the striker down in the box twice on almost identical plays. Sad for the kids.
     
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    Any referee not giving a penalty (and potentially a red card but that’s slightly more open to interpretation) for this should not be officiating a State Cup semi-final IMO.

    Sorry to the refs on here (remember I am one also) but the level of officiating this past weekend in State Cup QF, SF and Final games I was involved in was pretty horrendous. Not sure if it’s an official shortage or just poor choice of ref crews for certain games but their ability to get around the field, keep up with play and interpret the LOTG correctly was well below par. None of them seemed to understand how to calculate added time either.
     
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    No need to apologize. I think we need to hold ourselves to a high standard. period. (The whole side issue of coaches, parents, and players dissenting is a problem too, but a side issue. If we held ourselves to high standards, we could all stand behind each other when the need arises. Sadly, I just can't sometimes, when it is not the opinion of the referee that could be argued, but it is an obvious mistake).
     
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    Yes, it's fault and PK. Now, didn't they change the rules about the red card recently (or maybe I just dreamed about it?)? As in, if the fault is inside the area, then there's no red card because the punishment of a PK is enough already and they only give yellow?
     

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