Yellow card clarification

Discussion in 'C'mon Ref!' started by sweeperkeeper, Sep 11, 2018.

  1. sweeperkeeper

    sweeperkeeper Bronze

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2017
    Messages:
    17
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    3
    Ratings:
    +12 / 0
    Are players able to get clarification from the ref as to why they given a card? My son's team got 3 yellows in one game (my son being one of them) a few weeks ago yet none of the kids were aware as to the specific reason why they given.
     
  2. MWN

    MWN Silver Elite

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2016
    Messages:
    829
    Likes Received:
    548
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Ratings:
    +1,538 / 16
    Yes, respectfully and politely ask: "Sir, can you tell me what I did so I don't do it again?"

    Most players know what they did, which in 90% of the cases is playing in a reckless manner and goes down in the books as UB (Unsporting Behavior).
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
  3. timbuck

    timbuck

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2016
    Messages:
    1,557
    Likes Received:
    845
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Ratings:
    +2,440 / 25
    Reckless play. Unsporting behavior. Delaying a restart. Not following a previous warning.

    What did it look like from your vantage point? What did your son think happened? What did the coach say?

    In the end - Yellow is not a big deal. A warning to chill out.
     
  4. espola

    espola Silver Elite

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2016
    Messages:
    8,189
    Likes Received:
    728
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Ratings:
    +4,175 / 194
    Many leagues count yellow cards for possible team sanctions at season end, like losing points in the standings.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  5. sweeperkeeper

    sweeperkeeper Bronze

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2017
    Messages:
    17
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    3
    Ratings:
    +12 / 0
    I'm pretty familiar with the rules and would understand if it was a reckless play or UB. We all (including the coach) really had no clue as to the reason. The only thing that we could come up with was DOGSO (as he was last man) but according to my son, the defender in front of him actually fouled the attacker who fell forward. It was within the first 5 minutes of the game which really put a damper in him (and the team) to touch another player.

    I was more wondering as to the communication to the ref and if it would be acceptable. I didn't think it would be an issue but wanted to see.
     
  6. GunninGopher

    GunninGopher

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2016
    Messages:
    253
    Likes Received:
    136
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Ratings:
    +253 / 1
    If a player doesn't know, then they should ask. I always tell a player why they are cautioned. I mean the whole point of a caution is to correct a player's actions. Hard to do if they don't know why they were cautioned.
     
    • Winner Winner x 1
  7. GunninGopher

    GunninGopher

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2016
    Messages:
    253
    Likes Received:
    136
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Ratings:
    +253 / 1
    Was there a PK? If it was DOGSO outside the area it should be a send-off.

    The coach has every right to ask what the caution was for. A manager can also ask at the end of the game when signing the game card. Most of them are coded as UB, which really doesn't say what the specific reason was.
     
  8. Surfref

    Surfref Silver Elite

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2016
    Messages:
    975
    Likes Received:
    717
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Ratings:
    +1,895 / 21
    Just ask the referee politely and they should tell you. It is usually not that difficult to figure out.
     
  9. twoclubpapa

    twoclubpapa Bronze

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2016
    Messages:
    51
    Likes Received:
    15
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Ratings:
    +45 / 0
    I think it's a good practice for a referee to tell a player what they're being cautioned for. There are several situations in which the reason for a card could be uncertain or ambiguous. For example, it might not be clear to the player and/or observers whether a caution is for persistent infringement, USB for a reckless foul or USB for a tactical foul. Is a caution for dissent because of words, actions or the combination of words and deeds? Is the caution for USB (reckless foul} or dissent that occurred after the whistle? When the coach asks the player later on, the player will know the answer.
     
  10. baldref

    baldref Silver

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2016
    Messages:
    323
    Likes Received:
    196
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Ratings:
    +556 / 5
    as always, depends on the age and level. most higher level players over the age of 12 know exactly why their getting booked. as do their coaches. so explaining just opens up avenues for them to argue and complain. but, i try to let any players know why they're getting a card, if i think they don't know. and if i'm asked in a reasonable manner any question from a player, I always try to answer.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Agree Agree x 1
  11. jpeter

    jpeter Bronze

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2017
    Messages:
    265
    Likes Received:
    76
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Ratings:
    +187 / 3
    Want to learn from the experience, when my player was younger I recall about 50/50 of the time he would get explanation from the CR right away even when asked according to him. He talked to his coach about it and they came up with something where the captain would ask the 2nd time if the orginal player didn't get a answer. The 3rd recourse was to have the coach have a word at dead ball time, half, after the game for clarification.

    When you have teen age players with similar bulids, looks, hair mistaken id happens but some of the fouls are not really specific enough like UB so better explanations can help players in the long term.

    What other leagues besides ussda really penalize players for accumulation of yellows? 5 seems kind of low for youth players to get suspended for a game. The HS time out rule after yellows would be better IMO
     
  12. baldref

    baldref Silver

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2016
    Messages:
    323
    Likes Received:
    196
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Ratings:
    +556 / 5
    Most leagues have some sort of incentive to not get cards. Presidio SDDA for example:
    http://presidiosoccer.com/penalty_point_system.htm
     
    • Informative Informative x 1
  13. Toch

    Toch Bronze

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2016
    Messages:
    78
    Likes Received:
    20
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Ratings:
    +70 / 8
    I would always instruct my players to ask politely “excuse me ref, what’s the call?”
    The coach can always call the ref over for clarification
     
  14. jpeter

    jpeter Bronze

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2017
    Messages:
    265
    Likes Received:
    76
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Ratings:
    +187 / 3
    Yeah asking nicely in the heat of the moment for young players can be a challenge but are there more theatrics in the game now with all this media coverage? Imitating what they see?

    [​IMG]
     
  15. jrcaesar

    jrcaesar Silver

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2016
    Messages:
    313
    Likes Received:
    141
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Ratings:
    +299 / 10
    Did he run up in front of the ball and delay the restart, which is what he should do defensively in that scenario, but also should earn him an automatic caution? (They don't caution that on TV though - can't let the $uper$star$ get kicked out of a game that fans are paying to see.)
     
  16. outside!

    outside! Silver Elite

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2016
    Messages:
    994
    Likes Received:
    528
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Ratings:
    +1,501 / 30
    I rarely see this cautioned in any game, including the time a defensive player ran up and put her foot on the ball to prevent the offensive team from having a quick restart. The ref just waved her off.
     
    • Informative Informative x 1
  17. Surfref

    Surfref Silver Elite

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2016
    Messages:
    975
    Likes Received:
    717
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Ratings:
    +1,895 / 21
    I am probably going to regret saying this because Karma will visit me. I have issued very few yellow cards and no red cards over the past month and made it through the first weekend of league (5 centers: 2 U9 and the rest U16-19) and only issued one yellow card to a 9y/o who cleated an opponent in the thigh. As much as I wanted too, I could not let that one go uncarded since that was the players third reckless tackle. Overall the players during the last couple summer tournaments and the first weekend of league have played clean and listened to me when I talk to them.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  18. baldref

    baldref Silver

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2016
    Messages:
    323
    Likes Received:
    196
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Ratings:
    +556 / 5
    depends on the situation. if the attacking team isn't in any hurry, or if it's fairly obvious you'll be needing to give the ten yards and blow the whistle for a restart , then verbal commands and managing can suffice. cards are management tools, and punishment sometimes. if you can manage the situations without a card, then why card a player? now, if this happens repeatedly, or if the attacking team is trying to restart quickly and that happens, a card is probably warranted.
     
    • Informative Informative x 1
  19. baldref

    baldref Silver

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2016
    Messages:
    323
    Likes Received:
    196
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Ratings:
    +556 / 5
    i also haven't had to issue many cards lately. haven't had a red card in a long time. yes. you likely just jinxed us... way to go.
     
    • Funny Funny x 2
  20. Surfref

    Surfref Silver Elite

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2016
    Messages:
    975
    Likes Received:
    717
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Ratings:
    +1,895 / 21
    Early in the game I will sternly warn players to back off and not slow the game down. If it is later in the game and they are not listening, I will caution (yellow card) a player for delaying the restart. I have not had many problems lately when I give the stern warning that all players can hear. I had a 17 y/o boy defender start to move toward the ball after I called a foul last weekend. He stopped when I said, "Don't even think about getting in front of the ball. You wont like the consequences." He stopped and backed away. When referees stay close to the play and are close to the spot of the foul or free kick, it is much easier to manage the players then when the referee is 30-40 yards away.
     
    • Agree Agree x 4
    • Like Like x 1

Share This Page