Club America OC

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  1. Snchz13

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    The official Club America Academy now Nido Aguila is looking for players.
    Boys and Girls 2010 and older. We practice in Santa Ana. Very nice turf field at Centennial Regional Park.

    We have qualified licensed coaches who coach club soccer or have coached club soccer.

    We do not charge what “clubs” charge though. This space is for player development.

    Contact us for more info:
    Sanchez613@att.net
    (714) 878-9986
     
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    Is it related to the actual Club America (Liga MX) ?
     
  3. Snchz13

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    Yes, it’s an official “school”. There’s 3 in Southern CA. El Monte, Hesperia and now Orange County.
     
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    Do you have a website ? Alot of test seem to be popping up cleaing affilitation.
     
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    Many of the MX clubs with “affiliation” seem to lack websites. Should be a big priority - if you want to look professional. I would have expected professional clubs who lend out their brand/logo to keep track of things like that
     
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    I don't know about this case specifically, but the clubs don't usually "lend" out their logo. They charge a licensing fee for its use a usually have no other involvement than that.
     
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    How do you say, "Kool-Aid" in Spanish?
     
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    Kool-Aid with a spanish accent.
     
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  9. Snchz13

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    We will have our website ready soon. We are really new. Getting our site ready, getting kids ready. Once we have 60 kids in the system, we get a “grand opening” and coaches from Mexico come and do the opening( no, not the main coaches*we wish*, the youth academy coaches and scouts).
     
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    Pretty much, there is a yearly licensing fee, and we use their logo, uniforms, etc. We get a coaching curriculum and methodology that they want us to go by, and they come and visit every 6 months or every year, depending how big you are(which we have to cover their expenses) There’s also big discounts on tournaments sponsored by them.
     
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    So, you don't charge at all? Or, you charge less than other clubs? How much less? Inasmuch as you raised the issue, can you share your club's fee structure with us?

    And what does it mean when you say that "this space is for player development?" Do you mean that only your club, which has not yet fielded a single fall team, actually provides "player development?" Do you mean that clubs that charge fees do not provide "player development?"
     
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    For anyone and everyone in club soccer that talks about 'player development' being their focus, I can count on one hand the number of teams/clubs that I've seen in the last 4 years that have an on-field product which clearly shows that player development is their true focus. Most of us that have been involved in club soccer for any length of time understand this.

    Perhaps this new club will be another one; good luck to them.
     
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    Do you mean the coaches don’t help much?
    Or that by “development” they really make their team better by recruiting?
     
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    Both.

    Coaches who only recruit are easy to spot. Just watch/listen to them on the sideline (often they look like Uncle Buck and sound like Donald Trump). They from winning/successful teams and good luck to them but they have little idea about how to develop players (they would argue that they don’t need to if they can recruit the best ones).

    There is no universally accepted correct way to do it and recruitment is obviously a part of development (keeping a roster of a similar standard of players promotes competition between them and this enhances improvement). In that sense, recruitment is necessary.

    However, to the point of the on-field product; even with teams who recruit the best players, often watching them you see a safe, run and gun style where players take no risks and rely on rapid forwards to win games with long balls. There’s no real development in that; sure, they win most of the time but at what cost? If this country was rolling out bucketloads of talented players who can compete on the elite stage, you’d have an argument that the recruitment and development system and process in youth soccer is working.

    It’s an endless discussion and one with so many viewpoints. In the end we all have to do what we believe is best for the players we coach.
     
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    Nothing wrong with recruting players. I know of a of team that has coaches just like you say. That team produces more top talent then any other team, at least on the girls side. Not all players can be developed. Alot of kids that are young are just athletic doesn't mean they are soccer players.
     
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    I agree, nothing wrong with recruiting. But if the coaches are like you say, then they are not ‘producing’ talent. They are just putting together the best players. Recognize the distinction.
     
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    Paul, though I appreciate most of your posts, I have to disagree with you here.

    First, very few coaches actually take the time to recruit. I say this as one who believes that recruitment is an essential element of the job, and who does so assiduously. I can count on one hand the number of other coaches who regularly spend time looking at players from AYSO or other recreational leagues to find players who have a chance to become special. And the same is true for coaches who actively look at other club teams for kids who might benefit if they switch teams. In real life, these coaches are rare.

    Second, I don't believe you can spot coaches who recruit just by watching their "run and gun" teams. I would say that 80% or more of all coaches in club soccer coach that way, so even if a recruiter coaches that way, you could not tell the difference.

    Third, coaches who actively recruit tend to be more industrious than those who don't, and are thus more likely to learn how to develop their teams and players. Anectodally speaking, do you really a know hard-working coach who spends time recruiting players but does nothing else to develop them? I don't.

    It is easy to say that a coach who spends time recruiting does so because he doesn't "develop" his own players. But I think that is a lie. Coaches who work hard to recruit players are industrious; they are more likely to work hard to develop players. And in my experience, they have quality teams because they do so. People who claim that coaches who recruit "don't develop" are looking for an easy excuse to diminish the results of those who often work harder than they do.
     
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  18. Paul Spacey

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    If you read my post then did you not see that I mentioned a couple of times that recruitment is necessary? So I’m advocating recruitment (providing coaches are also developing, as you rightly mention).

    Also, I don’t recall saying that coaches who recruit don’t develop at all. I referenced the Uncle Buck/Donald Trump type coach; they are not developing anyone. Period.

    You make some excellent points in your post which I agree with; I’m just not sure they relate to my response and the view I was trying to get across.

    And the last thing I want to do is diminish the achievements of others. I’m always delighted to see any coach/team/club playing an attractive, progressive brand of soccer and go out of my way to complement them every single time (because I don’t see it too often). Rather than diminishing, I champion those people and teams.
     
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    Our coaches have to get paid, field rental has to be paid, registrations, uniforms, etc. So yes, we have to charge. We do not have sponsors that would make that possible. But we do not charge $1,500 a season plus uniforms, plus tournaments, plus ref fees. Which is what an “average” club team charges. I’ve coached other clubs and know how much it is. If you are actually interested I have no problem sharing our fees, otherwise I don’t think this is the place for that. I don’t see other clubs posting their fees in the forum.

    When I talk about development:
    We focus on creating soccer players with the three main characteristics in mind. Technical, Fitness and Tactical. We do not want the one big, fast player that will dribble past everyone at u8 and the coach decides to give the ball to him at all cost, he takes the corner kicks, goal kicks, throw ins, pKs, everything.
    Our focus is to create player who know how to play from the back, who know how to use both feet, receive the ball under pressure, etc. I can go on and on.

    Our main goal to start is that we teach kids how to play. At first, they don’t have to play for us, we start as a soccer school. As time goes on and when we have enough players to field teams, then we will do that. Right now, we welcome everyone, we teach everyone.

    Some of our coaches have coached club soccer, high school soccer, they have had teams for years and have develop players. Some make it to college, some finish after high school. Not all players make it. It’s how it works.
     
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  20. SoccerGeek

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    My question is the following. How many years of experience do the coaches running this club have. What licenses do they have. Have they coached flight 1/Premier/ DA level teams?

    Sounds very unorganized.
     

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