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  1. timbuck

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    Just saw a girls 2009 score of 22-0 at Pats cup this weekend.
    These are 9 year olds.
    Clearly someone is playing in the wrong bracket, but come on?
    Lots of discussion lately on inappropriate parent behavior on the sidelines. If there ever was a reason for a parent to lose it against other parents or coaches- I think this is probably the right time.
    Just wow.
     
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    The brilliant tourney rules also use a flat (uncapped per game) goal differential as the first tie break criteria after head to head. Way to go...not.
     
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    Stopped entering our teams because they kept placing our tier 1 teams in lower brackets. So wed have teams winning the tournament with 30+ gd and had one team not concede a goal the whole tournament. We would ask them to not do that but still did. They dont want "academy" or "reserve academy" or "super awesome academy" teams to lose to regular, run of the mill, tier 1 teams - bad for business. So theyll let there lower tier teams be cannon fodder for the good of the club.
     
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    While goals should have been capped, I will give the club a pass and say it was an honest mistake. I am sure they will fix that rule next year if someone brings it to their attention.

    However, despite the rule, by 6 pm last night when OC Surf-Hernandez ran up the score, they should have known that it was unnecessary based on the earlier game results. And if a coach is not going to act maturely in this situation, I feel that the parents should have. At U9 we were in a similar situation and I knew it was likely to be a blow out before the game. So I gave specific instructions to my children on what to do. A few holey rollers were let in and passes stopped being so accurate. My kids got in trouble with the coach after the game, but it was worth it. They went to get ice cream with the other team after the game.
     
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    There's no justification for that score. Period. Coach should be fined and hopefully feels embarrassed today.
     
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    I don’t understand how any club or coach thinks this is ok. If anyone reading this has an 09 daughter, I hope this causes you to avoid this coach when shopping for a new club.
    And you tell the DOC why you aren’t attending their tryout.
     
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    You can pull kids back and put your defensive kids up but if the team is truly playing with talent that has no business playing at that level, then the score can run away. Saw a WC ECNL team placed in a bronze level bracket last year at a local tournament - have no idea why the coach (most folks know the guy) would even do that. Worse I saw was the 10 goals put on us. Seems at least they were told to pass around more and move ball into the box and out - but it could have been 20 goals if the keeper didnt save about a dozen shots. Have to nlame organizers for thimgs like that more than kids wanting to score. Maybe 22-0 could have been worse? Weve been on rec team were we had to pull 4 kids off the field and play 7 v 11 and still end up scoring. Some coaches find pulling kids off or not trying to score against them as insulting or poor sportsmanship
     
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    Sometimes you do what you can, and it's not enough. I had to sub for our regular coach who missed a game back in the BU9 days (memory says he overslept, but I find that hard to believe). Ahead 6-0, I pulled the best 2 players to the bench and rotated the player positions. Our smallest player, who had always played on the back line and didn't get many scoring opportunities, listened to his dad shouting "Shoot it" from the sideline every time he touched the ball and scored 4 straight goals.
     
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    Yeah parents can be the issue but if you organize a tourney and see "ecnl" or see a tier 1 team with 1 or 2 losses in league - dint drop them to tier 2 or heaven forbid tier 3 competiton. Hard not to shoot when you are close to goal or getting a cross. At higher levels, kids on the bench are not far off the starters. You could pass around and hold the ball more, but hard to hammer kids doing what they are trained to do...unless you threaten them.
     
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    +39 goal differential through 3 games so far. Maybe they all get iPhones if they get to +50.
     
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    You were the coach. You should have controlled your parents. It would have been very easy for you to pull that kid out of the game and tell him to have a talk with his dad if he wanted to continue playing the rest of the game. It is better to teach parents how to behave on the sidelines when their kid is young.
     
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    Let’s put this in prospective. 22 goals in 50 minutes equates to a goal every 2:16 minutes. This does not account for restarts, fouls, subs...

    Even with that uncapped goals, the behavior was wrong. We recently playing in the championship game of a tournament where the other team only had 11 players. One player got hurt and the coach was about to take one of his played out so it would be 10 v 10. Fortunately the player was ok and able to return to the game. The score was 0-0 at this point. Remember it is about how you play the game not who can cream the other team.
     
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    Sorry but this is not on the winning coach. It’s either on the tournament director for letting superior teams in lower brackets or the losing coach for putting his team in a tournament and/or bracket they shouldn’t be in.
     
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  14. timbuck

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    I disagree. A team winning all games 10-0 or losing all of their games 10-0 is in the wrong bracket. A 22-0 thrashing is uncalled for.
     
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    I looked at the scores and there are 2 quick points to make:

    1) There is only one bracket at this age group.

    2) The 22-0 score has been changed to 12-0
     
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    Saw a 2010 game recently at at tournament. Score was 22-0. They only had 1 bracket and I know at that age there can be a significant range of ability/talent, but there is a lot a coach can do to keep the score from getting crazy. 22-0 is ridiculous and unacceptable to me. How does that benefit anyone on either team?

    I approached the coach later in the day when I saw him at another field and politely asked him about it. He was irritated with me and loudly said "I did everything I could!". Then he got aggressive and said "Are you judging me?!" I replied " You have a good team, but if you did everything you could and the score was still 22-0, then you aren't a very good coach." and walked away.
     
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    Fair enough, but then the question becomes is what you want the winning coach to do, pull everybody but the goaly? What if the coach did everything humanly possible? To me, it’s more on the losing coach, either forfeit the game or call it at half.

    I for one find it more insulting for the winning team to start pulling players. This happened to my dd’s back in the AYSO days and I told the coach to keep his full team in and not take it easy on us.
     
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    I think it depends on the age, sex, length of time they have been playing..... The team I described above that we took it easy on them hard a very difficult year with most every team in league play crushed them. These girls never had the opportunity to learn to the love game and most quit soccer entirely that year. Who knows what type of soccer players they would have developed into if given the opportunity to find some joy in that first year.
     
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    Yeah- good question. It’s not easy to coach 9 year olds to call off the dogs. Hard for them to grasp the concept.
    Maybe take a little more time with the ball before getting forward. If you are scoring every 130 seconds, maybe put a time limit on keeping possession. Counting passes can be demoralizing. So maybe run a clock and tell your team they can’t cross the opposing 18 for 5 minutes. Or attack but tell them to shoot the ball wide every time.
    Or let the other team take a bunch of corner kicks to work on your defensive shape and counterattacking. If a ball goes out for a throw in- don’t run after it and go forward with your throw. Or all throw ins need to go back inside of your own 18 until you can go forward. Or you can only shoot using your opposite foot. Or you can only shoot a one touch shot.
    Or play the secret scorer game- assign 1 kid to be the goal scorer. Your team knows who it is. But the other team does not. Nobody can score but this kid. Put her in as a center back. Watch all of the passing back to get her the ball.

    He’s been coaching for a while, so I’m sure he’s been in a similar situation (maybe even on the losing end at some point).
     
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    These are good ideas, but I don't know there is a difference between 12-0 and 22-0. By the time it's 7 or 8-0, the losing team (and maybe the winning team as well) just want the game to end. Perhaps we implement the baseball mercy rule. Just call the game after 12-0.
     
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