GIRLS DAII

Kicknit22 said:
DREAMZ, from post one on this subject, you have been the counter point to the movement. You do sound bitter and angry, as if left out. The reality is that these clubs are trying to create something that will not only help them preserve thier membership numbers, which is only good business, but at the same time create a better platform for those players involved. Whether it is or isn't, is debatable. There are limited number of spots available in DA at each club, so I don't blame these clubs a bit for trying to create something that recognizes the bubble players, so to speak.
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I think if you have information and you see something being spun or weaved that isn't the truth some people get upset with that. I see it as business and capitalism and don't take it personally but I can see why if something was an outright lie it would be upsetting.
Now here is the rub- it would only be upsetting if I was a SCDSL or ECNL club. For example Surf was very vocal with parents leaving for Carlsbad calling it a fake league, etc. Surf coaches said a lot of things to my friends and at the end of the day they rolled to Carlsbad anyway because they like the coach of A and B teams better. From there the dialogue was "they stole our players and it isn't even a league" At this point my ears perked up and I started to laugh because for the first time in a very long time Surf was upset about something- translation someone must be doing something to take away from their market share.
So as much as I love to hear words like development it's all a complete lie.
It's a business and I applaud MD and NG for attempting to make their own platform and league- and whatever other thing they want because as any businessman knows first people mock you, then they hate you, then they copy you.
Cheers to capitalism .
For the record I draw the line at ECNL2.
 
Striker17 said:
I think if you have information and you see something being spun or weaved that isn't the truth some people get upset with that. I see it as business and capitalism and don't take it personally but I can see why if something was an outright lie it would be upsetting.
Now here is the rub- it would only be upsetting if I was a SCDSL or ECNL club. For example Surf was very vocal with parents leaving for Carlsbad calling it a fake league, etc. Surf coaches said a lot of things to my friends and at the end of the day they rolled to Carlsbad anyway because they like the coach of A and B teams better. From there the dialogue was "they stole our players and it isn't even a league" At this point my ears perked up and I started to laugh because for the first time in a very long time Surf was upset about something- translation someone must be doing something to take away from their market share.
So as much as I love to hear words like development it's all a complete lie.
It's a business and I applaud MD and NG for attempting to make their own platform and league- and whatever other thing they want because as any businessman knows first people mock you, then they hate you, then they copy you.
Cheers to capitalism .
For the record I draw the line at ECNL2.
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You should draw the line at DA2. Sounds super fake but who cares anyway because at the end of the day the colleges will choose their players based upon their eyes not a label. Truly elite players only number around 30 per age group so almost every league going forward is going to be weaker than what existed previously. The big boys already have most of the elite talent and that won't change. I'm sure that you realize that they are basically transitioning their ECNL team to GDA and the only available spots will go to the superstar girls that are coming from outside of the club. I have seen this all happen before and it will likely happen again when US soccer pulls it's next curious move.

Good luck to you and your player.
 
MakeAPlay said:
You should draw the line at DA2. Sounds super fake but who cares anyway because at the end of the day the colleges will choose their players based upon their eyes not a label. Truly elite players only number around 30 per age group so almost every league going forward is going to be weaker than what existed previously. The big boys already have most of the elite talent and that won't change. I'm sure that you realize that they are basically transitioning their ECNL team to GDA and the only available spots will go to the superstar girls that are coming from outside of the club. I have seen this all happen before and it will likely happen again when US soccer pulls it's next curious move.

Good luck to you and your player.
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Agree! That's my point it's all a label. It's not going to change who the 1-5 are.
 
Kicknit22 said:
DREAMZ, from post one on this subject, you have been the counter point to the movement. You do sound bitter and angry, as if left out. The reality is that these clubs are trying to create something that will not only help them preserve thier membership numbers, which is only good business, but at the same time create a better platform for those players involved. Whether it is or isn't, is debatable. There are limited number of spots available in DA at each club, so I don't blame these clubs a bit for trying to create something that recognizes the bubble players, so to speak.
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Anything that is good for the player I'm all for. Anything that is being done in the best interest of the DOC pocketbook I'm not. But you can't call DPL something that it's not. You can't say it follows the DA model....but..... It either follows the model or it doesn't. I can see why there are supporters of DA2 so I don't judge you for being one of them. You are simply expressing your views in an intelligent way which is great.
I will absolutely agree that I am the counter point to the movement because, at the local level it makes no sense. But I will also say, that if US Soccer DID decide to run a DA2 program themselves and it was a national program then I think it would be great and would certainly rival ECNL because the long-term power is in what US Soccer will implement, not what ECNL has. I loved the idea of a national DA2 league when I first heard about it, which would include local clubs playing on a national platform. But then taking a step back, a national DA2 just doesn't seem plausible given the difficult geography nationally. I don't see B teams nationally being able to bare the burden of the expense for a DA2 program.
I think the other reason I have issues with it is because of how it's been handled. The group has scrambled to put something together with no plan and no thought. It was a reaction to not having ECNL for their B teams and trying to figure out something to counteract the players leaving for ECNL or other DA programs. Had they taken the time to do it right, put together informational material, lined their sanctioning, or league up, and not been admonished by US Soccer along the way, then it may have been an easier product to believe in. US Soccer saying that anyone who wants to follow the DA platform - would be considered positive doesn't apply because they aren't following the platform. They've been reprimanded by US Soccer more than applauded by US Soccer. Again, all because of a knee-jerk reaction to a situation.
The rush to get our a vague press release that has since had to be corrected, the rush to say they would play in Presidio which didn't happen, those missteps cost them respect and people have begun to see through that they are selling. Will there still be B teams doing something? Absolutely. Saying they will have 9 games in the fall and play in 2 showcases is actually less than what the teams would normally have in the fall and they would be getting in to those showcases anyways with the departure of the DA teams.
My thing is this. Have a solid, viable plan. Don't promote something that doesn't exist until it actually exists. Get US Soccer to run it nationally and make it a kick-ass national program (somehow) that shuts down ECNL.
At the end of the day, the dialogue on here is good for everyone no matter what side of the aisle you are on. If only the left and the right side of the political aisle could be coexist just as easily and respect each other's views.
 
Striker17 said:
SCDSL will hurt from this. How can you not see it?
Again I love this! I think it's funny to see the SCDSL and ECNL folks lose their collective minds and then act "like it doesn't matter anyway".
Ok then if it doesn't matter then why are you freaking out, disparaging other clubs, talking to parents, increasing your rosters to 25, I could go on and on...
Oh that's right because you actually have competition now with the DA!
Call it Bozo Brigade all you want but also do us a favor and comment on the other side of the story...
I am all about the information and insight! I for one was enlightened by a lot of your posts and am happy to hear about it. I do believe though you are assuredly either very anti MD and NG or very linked to SCDSL because the "average parent" isn't all fired up about a league.
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SCDSL will still grow this year, regardless of DA teams leaving.

Is this thread seriously about B teams? B Teams. Said like Allen Iverson.

If you want to play on a B team at these clubs, go for it. But don't champion it like it's the second coming. Not saying you are Striker17, just quoted you for the SCDSL part.

My money would be to join an ECNL team instead of a DA II team. But that is me, to each his own.

Funny how the people that are putting down dreamz truth, is an Albion Parnet = Kicknit22 a Beach Parent = Kicker4life a Galaxy Parent = Lastman. I don't see ECNL clubs parents bashing this? But to each his own.

Who cares, DA II won't be anything different then what they have now, they will just play each other in their own division of a league. Another fall division.

Then play in the second tier November Nights showcase, the second tier Silverlakes showcase with all Legends and CDA/Slammers teams, or on some ghetto field in Vegas, definitely not at the main field.

Finish that up with National Cup.

But if that is what you want go for it.

If my kid was an 04 or older I would look at ECNL for her, instead of this, but that is just me. For the next 4 years ECNL will still be great. If you haven't been a part you have no clue about what they promote, how well run the showcases are etc.....

05 and younger, no idea. As I think ECNL will die a slow 5 year death. So find a great coach.

DA is the future, but for current High School kids, it is not the all everything now. DA II is just another Fall division in a league.
 
MakeAPlay said:
You should draw the line at DA2. Sounds super fake but who cares anyway because at the end of the day the colleges will choose their players based upon their eyes not a label. Truly elite players only number around 30 per age group so almost every league going forward is going to be weaker than what existed previously. The big boys already have most of the elite talent and that won't change. I'm sure that you realize that they are basically transitioning their ECNL team to GDA and the only available spots will go to the superstar girls that are coming from outside of the club. I have seen this all happen before and it will likely happen again when US soccer pulls it's next curious move.

Good luck to you and your player.
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I agree there is a kid at little tiny Liverpool that just verbaled with Colorado. If you are good they will find you.

She is good if not great.
 
Soccer said:
Funny how the people that are putting down dreamz truth, is an Albion Parnet = Kicknit22 a Beach Parent = Kicker4life a Galaxy Parent = Lastman. I don't see ECNL clubs parents bashing this? But to each his own.
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Tying to make sense of this comment. Bashing what? DREAMZ or DAII? If you think I am bashing DREAMZ, I dont think anything said has been "bashing". I started this thread nearly a month ago to get a wider discussion going on the subject. Successfully, I might add. If you read all my posts on this subject, I have been far more critical of the Label (DAII) and have fallen far short of the supportive side, and I, as you point out, am from a club at the forefront of creating it. I am supportive of the DA clubs motives, and understand it. The point has always been to gather information across the board as to how it was coming together or if it even would. Many of us try to get entertaining with certain comments on every subject. In the end, it's about another league thrown into the mix. Here we are a few weeks past the start of the thread, and we still are looking for answers. So,the discussion continues. Peace.
 
dreamz said:
Nope. Not on a board and not in a league. Just Sam I am.
I know people in the leagues that have explained to me the dynamics of what's going on with all of this but I also know a lot of people in the know at a lot of clubs who see this for what it is. Ask anyone opposed to DA2 and, as intelligent and informed DOC's they see right through this.
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Ah, you know people ... got it. I once had an extended exchange on this board with a guy, a lot like you. He claimed he was looking out for the families in the neighborhood of a local club. He spewed a lot of rumors, half truths, and flat out lies, but with a lot of passion. He had his group of like minded people that would jump in and back him up to make it appear like what he said had merit. When I questioned the source of his "facts", his response was "I know a guy" (sounds a lot like "I know people"). And of course, if you ask someone that is opposed to DA2, they will tell you how it's a scam to put money in DOC's pockets ... and it's not sanctioned by US Soccer ... and it's not a league .... You can see this just by reading your posts.

Look DPL is a league. And these aren't all second teams like you claim. In the combined age groups like '01-'02, the DA teams will probably have at most two to three '02 players. That would make the DPL '02 team the top team in this age group in these clubs. And does it really matter? These teams would be playing in a league next year, regardless of what that league was. If they were second teams in their club, they would still be second teams, and if they were first teams, they would still be first teams. These clubs just chose to follow a curriculum more like DA and play each other in the fall season. Get over it. We all understand your opposition to DPL.
 
DAII, Elite, PDA, Academy, Navy, supper-dupper, special, first team looking for players to train like the pro's and play Flight III/Bronze. Send your money in now for a spot!!!!!!!

Kool-Aid is sponsoring our team but you still need to send a big check!!
 
Ok so I think I understand.
DA1 = Legit
ECNL= LEGIT

DA2/ECNL2/EGSL= 2nd level talent, a farce for leagues, and expensive.

The question then becomes if your daughter doesnt make a DA1 or ECNL team for whatever reason (talent, location,family dynamic,etc.) should your DD play DA2/ECNL2/EGSL or Flight 1 if there is a difference?
 
SFV818-SoccerDad said:
Ok so I think I understand.
DA1 = Legit
ECNL= LEGIT

DA2/ECNL2/EGSL= 2nd level talent, a farce for leagues, and expensive.

The question then becomes if your daughter doesnt make a DA1 or ECNL team for whatever reason (talent, location,family dynamic,etc.) should your DD play DA2/ECNL2/EGSL or Flight 1 if there is a difference?
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Well, just looking at ONLY the SW ECNL conference (basically SoCal with a couple clubs from NV and AZ) and the diminished value of the conference as a baseline starting August 1, 2017 maybe consider ...

US Soccer DA = A+
US Club Soccer ECNL = B+ (then a quick fall off again in 2018-2019 season)

All the rest mentioned = C to B-
(some very good players may be found and promoted)

Again, SoCal focus here only.
 
GoWest said:
Well, just looking at ONLY the SW ECNL conference (basically SoCal with a couple clubs from NV and AZ) and the diminished value of the conference as a baseline starting August 1, 2017 maybe consider ...

US Soccer DA = A+
US Club Soccer ECNL = B+ (then a quick fall off again in 2018-2019 season)

All the rest mentioned = C to B-
(some very good players may be found and promoted)

Again, SoCal focus here only.
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This depends on the club. I think at 01 and up you will have a couple of very strong ECNL teams. The already committed/ HS factor will prevail. Or just so good it doesn't matter what league they are in: Blues Baket
 
SFV818-SoccerDad said:
Ok so I think I understand.
DA1 = Legit
ECNL= LEGIT

DA2/ECNL2/EGSL= 2nd level talent, a farce for leagues, and expensive.

The question then becomes if your daughter doesnt make a DA1 or ECNL team for whatever reason (talent, location,family dynamic,etc.) should your DD play DA2/ECNL2/EGSL or Flight 1 if there is a difference?
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If faced with option C, find the best coach and group of kids and go for it.
 
GKDad65 said:
DAII, Elite, PDA, Academy, Navy, supper-dupper, special, first team looking for players to train like the pro's and play Flight III/Bronze. Send your money in now for a spot!!!!!!!

Kool-Aid is sponsoring our team but you still need to send a big check!!
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Do they get a patch?
 
Soccer said:
This depends on the club. I think at 01 and up you will have a couple of very strong ECNL teams. The already committed/ HS factor will prevail. Or just so good it doesn't matter what league they are in: Blues Baket
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You may be right.

I'll probably venture off the path for a bit here but I hope to tie it together with a nice bow at the end.

I think it also depends upon the player, college program (athletic director, coach, etc) and where that program fits (or wants to fit) in the college post season "field of 64." Some kids think that post-commit means time to chill and relax and their college programs are just ok with that. Look at a few of the Big 10 women's soccer programs (and yes other conferences too) and look at the tenure of some of their coaches being mediocre at best FOR YEARS AND YEARS! Some schools and coaches just don't care.

Compare that to programs that are regulars in the NCAA tournament (or in and out more often over the last few years) where "just chilling" post-commit won't cut it or the scholarship gets cut.

So, what's my point? A post-commit player should be pushing herself to get on the very best team, in the most difficult and competitive club conference with the very best coaching, etc., to ensure they continue to improve on their way to a college program. In my book, that should be a given. That's why most on this board are passionate about calling out a "fraud league" designed to keep the cash flowing. No one here wants to see a family of limited means and time, etc., get duped.

So, laying out the best-to-worst leagues can be insightful for the player / parent looking to achieve (or not achieve) going forward. At the end of the day, US Soccer DA will continue to draw the very best of the best and the impact will hit hard against ECNL and other leagues starting August 1, 2017. Like it or not, it is what it is.

I think HS is inconsequential at this point because DA, ECNL, etc have made allowances for players desiring the HS experience.

As far as SW conference ECNL and the 2017-2018 season goes, yeah probably a few teams that are outliers and have no DA option will look more respectable because of the "lowering" of competition in the SoCal market. Not to take anything away from those clubs but seriously? I dont think anyone should be fooled.

I am curious, what 01+ ECNL teams / clubs do you see in the SW ECNL conference actually staying strong?
 
12M people live in LA/Ventura/Kern Counties - 5 DA Clubs and 0 ECNL Clubs
4.5M people live in Riverside/San Bernardino Counties - only 1 DA Club and 1 ECNL Club
3.3M people live in San Diego County - 3 DA Clubs and 2 ECNL Clubs
3.2M people live in Orange Co - 4 DA Clubs and 4 ECNL Clubs

Some of the clubs are the same for DA and ECNL. DA has 4 teams per club. ECNL has 5 with many also having U18/19 Composite Team also.

So just based on the demographics it makes sense that the talent drops of quickly in San Diego and the OC where most of the posters are from. But in LA or in the I.E. there is a ton of talent not at the few DA clubs. Plus driving from the North to the Southbay absolutely sucks making the Galaxy and Beach tough options. There is plenty need for top "2nd tier teams" up here whether it is DPL, Premier or Tier 1. In fact these teams will likely be quite strong.
 
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