soccerobserver
GOLD
...and coaches who can coach it...
USWNT
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bullsputbol
BRONZE
japanese was a better team. They played better than netherlands
soccerobserver
GOLD
GFG, I haven't seen the replay but as you said it was a point black blast
so I am not sure she had enough time to tuck her arms in even if she wanted to...
I just watched it again in real time speed and in slow motion. Still a bad and wrong call.GFG, I haven't seen the replay but as you said it was a point black blast
GFG, I haven't seen the replay but as you said it was a point black blast
While I wholeheartedly agree, with the new laws, if the player is "unnaturally bigger" or arm is above shoulder, "closeness" to the ball is irrelevant...unfortunately.
It is usually an offence if a player:
• touches the ball with their hand/arm when:
• the hand/arm has made their body unnaturally bigger
• the hand/arm is above/beyond their shoulder level (unless the player deliberately
plays the ball which then touches their hand/arm)
The above offences apply even if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm directly from
the head or body (including the foot) of another player who is close.
The ref’s took nothing into consideration on the circumstances of the play and as Watfly stated the players arm could not be in any more of a natural position under that scenario.
soccerobserver
GOLD
If I had been the referee in this game- this would be my response to the alleged "handball": "That ain't no problem"
You may have missed my initial post, even under the new laws, I firmly believe that was not a penalty. The player wasn't unnaturally bigger, it hit her upper arm which was barely away from her body. Even if her whole arm was pressed against her body it will still would have hit her upper arm. My point to soccerobserver was that "closeness" to the ball is not to be considered in the "unnaturally bigger" situation, which is the only reason the ref could use to rationalize her call.
I've said this before, what's ironic is defenders playing with their arms behind their backs is what is unnatural.
The rules also stipulate it is not a handball if a player is hit on the arm by the ball without moving towards the ball and without being able to move out of the way. This supports your statement.
In the current officiating regime, clever forwards who have no open shot at the goal will just shoot at defenders' arms instead.
From the rumors that came out of the IFAB meetings on the rules revision, that was exactly the objection that was raised by the traditionalists in the handball rule discussions...absent guidance of what is "unnaturally bigger" you have to have your hands firmly planted to the side. Her arms were out, barring some clarifying interpretation of what unnaturally bigger means. Stupid rule, but correct application of the rule, if we are going to be strict about it (which seems to be the direction).
I agree, however, that it will come to their arms behind the back (though after this WWC I'm also sure we are in for some further rules revisions).
Another objection raised by the traditionalists at the time. That circumstance is preceded with the words "Except for the above offences", which leads to the question why have that list at all? Supposedly it's supposed to be illustrative, but not controlling???
Said it at the time, but the new revision makes no sense...it was made as a compromise between the traditionalists and the strict handball factions, and (unless you are going to take the most extreme literal and expansionist interpretation, which it seems is what they are doing) are a muddled mess at best, game altering in a bad way at worst. Hate the rule, not the refs.Just A Dad
SILVER ELITE
First match I’ve missed... I hope they replay it tonight.
jojosoccer
SILVER ELITE
Just returning from France. Great atmosphere, friendly people everywhere. Really fun.
FIFA web site was bad, but we managed to get our $17 tickets.
Paid $49 for USA - Spain and there were plenty of open seats.
Hotels were very nice, paid $139 on Hotels.com. included breakfast.
Cheaper World Cup than I’ve paid for Men’s WC in the past.
It was frustrating watching our forward line not finishing. Fans were grumbling about substitutions, but that didn’t really happen. It was warm there for sure.
I was waiting for Press to come in by the 38 minute I couldn’t stand watching Morgan do nothing and Rapinoe miss every chance. Rapinoe was disruptive but she’s not a true finisher anyway.
Shoulda subbed in that heat and Spain’s pressure.
Put Ertz in the back line and bring Horan in the mid if you want to win on Friday. Also, going to have to use Press and McDonald at some point Friday. Lloyd too at some point to FINISH.
FIFA web site was bad, but we managed to get our $17 tickets.
Paid $49 for USA - Spain and there were plenty of open seats.
Hotels were very nice, paid $139 on Hotels.com. included breakfast.
Cheaper World Cup than I’ve paid for Men’s WC in the past.
It was frustrating watching our forward line not finishing. Fans were grumbling about substitutions, but that didn’t really happen. It was warm there for sure.
I was waiting for Press to come in by the 38 minute I couldn’t stand watching Morgan do nothing and Rapinoe miss every chance. Rapinoe was disruptive but she’s not a true finisher anyway.
Shoulda subbed in that heat and Spain’s pressure.
Put Ertz in the back line and bring Horan in the mid if you want to win on Friday. Also, going to have to use Press and McDonald at some point Friday. Lloyd too at some point to FINISH.
Just A Dad
SILVER ELITE
I’m the furthest thing from an expert but sure does feel like VAR like instant replay in the NFL is there to punish the defense
That's funny, because a large part of the argument for VAR was to prevent some infractions on the offense, like checking the offside on breakaways or avoiding offensive tricks like the hand of God. I think it's done that pretty well (and did it pretty well at the men's WC)...but combined with the new rule changes it's not working and taking too long (on a penalty, for example, you have to first review it to see if it's a penalty, then review it for the goalkeeper infraction once it's taken, and if there was an infraction, review the second shot too).
soccerobserver
GOLD
GT whatever the rules are the outcomes feel like the tail is wagging the dog so to speak. Too many times a game is being decided by tiny aspects of the game that have little to do with skill, tactics and strategy. I think each team should be given one chance per game to use VAR. maybe that would help restore some balance to how the games are being decided. Also the hand ball rule should allow for interpretation by the referee and should not be called for inadvertent minimal contact. The penalty to Japan was disproportionate to the crime in my humble opinion.
Multi Sport
DA
Was talking with my Dad today and he was texting one of his friends in Holland. The guy is the President of one of the sports federations for Holland and even he felt it was not a handball. VAR has had too much of an impact on this WC..
Fridays game will be epic and sure hope Ellis decides to mix it up. I'm pulling for a Netherlands v USA final.
Fridays game will be epic and sure hope Ellis decides to mix it up. I'm pulling for a Netherlands v USA final.
MakeAPlay
DA
Man I can’t even follow you. What did you accuse me of lying about? Look you are a contrarian with too much time on his hands. Any time that you want to find out what I think we can meet at Kaminski’s near my house (I know that you know where that is) and I can show you. PM me and I will give you my number. Otherwise you are just a pussy and somebody that I don’t have time for.
You heard my position, I assume that even someone as lazy as you can use Google.
If you want to find out how far I will go you should Google me. And PM me.