Play High School or Not?

Multi Sport said:
Still waiting for your point...maybe it's that if you edit a post it doesn't show it?
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And that most people cannot edit their posts for more than 5 minutes. Fact's Message #141 was posted at 8:22 PM. Your response Message was posted at 8:58 PM, the one that included the sentence "For that matter what does White have to do with it?". That's all I know about it.

Go look for yourself.
 
espola said:
And that most people cannot edit their posts for more than 5 minutes. Fact's Message #141 was posted at 8:22 PM. Your response Message was posted at 8:58 PM, the one that included the sentence "For that matter what does White have to do with it?". That's all I know about it.

Go look for yourself.
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But Fact says that he or she is unable to edit.. that he or she is "too cheap to pay". But you don't have to pay to edit. On top of that it doesn't show that the post was edited. So Fact makes a post, I read it. He or she edits the post then I respond to it. Problem with Fact is he or she is too full of it to admit it. Why would I respond what does white have to do with it if it was not in the original post?

I'm not like you who likes to post things and then claim amnesia or delete the post and claim to have never posted it.

And where is your buddy @JaP at these days? You two had the best arguments, even if he owned you all of the time.
 
Multi Sport said:
But Fact says that he or she is unable to edit.. that he or she is "too cheap to pay". But you don't have to pay to edit. On top of that it doesn't show that the post was edited. So Fact makes a post, I read it. He or she edits the post then I respond to it. Problem with Fact is he or she is too full of it to admit it. Why would I respond what does white have to do with it if it was not in the original post?

I'm not like you who likes to post things and then claim amnesia or delete the post and claim to have never posted it.

And where is your buddy @JaP at these days? You two had the best arguments, even if he owned you all of the time.
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Anyone can edit his own posts for 5 minutes. People who pay for the extra service level can edit their posts any time. I am cheap also, which is why my edit time is limited and I don't know how to delete a post, unless it is just editing everything out within the 5-minute limit. You criticize me, but you won't provide details. How do I respond to that?
 
espola said:
Anyone can edit his own posts for 5 minutes. People who pay for the extra service level can edit their posts any time. I am cheap also, which is why my edit time is limited and I don't know how to delete a post, unless it is just editing everything out within the 5-minute limit. You criticize me, but you won't provide details. How do I respond to that?
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What details do you need?
 
Multi Sport said:
Just curious. I always thought that CIF had a rule that once you played in a HS game that you could not play outside HS again. If you did your HS team would have to forfeit the games you played in.
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Most played DA thru last weeks Florida showcase. DA is now taking a break for a few weeks so they are playing high school. But they are still on the DA roster and will probably decide to miss a few DA games in Jan, Feb to complete the high school season. But because they have a waiver, they are allowed to play both at the same time.
 
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Nefutous said:
Most played DA thru last weeks Florida showcase. DA is now taking a break for a few weeks so they are playing high school. But they are still on the DA roster and will probably decide to miss a few DA games in Jan, Feb to complete the high school season. But because they have a waiver, they are allowed to play both at the same time.
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As long as once they play a HS game they don't play in a DA game until HS is over then I don't believe there is a problem. Problems occurs when you play DA or Club during HS season that could cause your HS team to forfeit. At least that's been my understanding for as long as I can recall.
 
Multi Sport said:
As long as once they play a HS game they don't play in a DA game until HS is over then I don't believe there is a problem. Problems occurs when you play DA or Club during HS season that could cause your HS team to forfeit. At least that's been my understanding for as long as I can recall.
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You are so busy being hostile you have failed to grasp the valid points being made and have now included incorrect information that may lead to a player being ineligible.

Read posts by JCM #131 and MWN #124 and #136. The rule is US Soccer’s rule that full time DA players cannot play high school and then finish out the remainder of the DA season. The only exception being if they were granted a waiver to play in high school based on the finding that soccer was a contributing factor that allowed the player to be admitted to that high school (ex. Need based scholarship to underprivileged). What some posters are saying, including me, is that the DA players they are seeing playing high school are not financially needy and have been granted waivers. My belief is that US Soccer should just do away with the rule and allow families to decide what is best.
 
Multi Sport said:
As long as once they play a HS game they don't play in a DA game until HS is over then I don't believe there is a problem. Problems occurs when you play DA or Club during HS season that could cause your HS team to forfeit. At least that's been my understanding for as long as I can recall.
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  1. CIF Rules are you can't play Club and HS at the same time. Club (stop) --> HS (start) --> HS (finish) --> Club (start).
  2. The DA Rules are you can't come back to the DA if you play HS. DA (stop) --> HS (start) --> HS (finish) --> Club (start), but not DA until new season. The exception being you can come back to the DA if you went to a private school and received a waiver from the DA.
My personal opinion on HS for both boys and girls is that only about 120 DA players in each gender are really being looked at for the National Team and and/or the pro ranks. The rest of the kids are fodder so the clubs and DA can have a league. Take the best 120 or 200 or whatever the number is and FULLY FUND their soccer (training, housing, schooling, etc.), take the rest of the kids that are not on the 100% DA/US Soccer/MLS scholarship and allow them to do what they want. For kids, especially girls, who have little to no professional path give up the social element of HS sports (soccer) is selfish and wrong of the DA. 99% of all DA players will never touch a National Team uniform or make the pro ranks ... let them get a fully rounded education and be student athletes for the HS.
 
And another thing ... with regard to "Edit-Gate": who really cares if the post was edited. Do you all know how many times I press the "post" button and then go back reread my post and say "damn, that was a little harsh ... or ... that makes no sense ... or oops, is that even a word?" Its easy to use inflammatory language and not appreciate that what might be an off the hand quip or remark could be interpreted as offensive.

I really wish more people would press the edit button.
 
MWN said:
  1. CIF Rules are you can't play Club and HS at the same time. Club (stop) --> HS (start) --> HS (finish) --> Club (start).
  2. The DA Rules are you can't come back to the DA if you play HS. DA (stop) --> HS (start) --> HS (finish) --> Club (start), but not DA until new season. The exception being you can come back to the DA if you went to a private school and received a waiver from the DA.
My personal opinion on HS for both boys and girls is that only about 120 DA players in each gender are really being looked at for the National Team and and/or the pro ranks. The rest of the kids are fodder so the clubs and DA can have a league. Take the best 120 or 200 or whatever the number is and FULLY FUND their soccer (training, housing, schooling, etc.), take the rest of the kids that are not on the 100% DA/US Soccer/MLS scholarship and allow them to do what they want. For kids, especially girls, who have little to no professional path give up the social element of HS sports (soccer) is selfish and wrong of the DA. 99% of all DA players will never touch a National Team uniform or make the pro ranks ... let them get a fully rounded education and be student athletes for the HS.
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This, IMO, is the correct take. I honestly think there should be two DA's. One for the MLS Academies, one for the rest. They could play each other in show cases or not at all. The MLS one should/would play a national schedule and all have local academies that house and school the kids. The DA2 would be the Patadores, Surf, Nomad's of the world, high level coaching and players, best path to play in college and a place to get noticed by the MLS academies, but also would take a break for high school. It's dumb for an LA or SD team to go to Utah or Barca for a one off game. It's great to get to compete against them, but the reality is that those teams train like pros and should be treated differently. It would also foster more competition to get on to those teams.

I would start this at u16. The late bloomers can still be found through the DA2, they just wouldn't have to give up HS, miss school on Friday so they can take a seven hour bus ride for a Saturday a.m. game in AZ or otherwise be used by the system for the benefit of the 1% that US Soccer really cares about.
 
MWN said:
And another thing ... with regard to "Edit-Gate": who really cares if the post was edited. Do you all know how many times I press the "post" button and then go back reread my post and say "damn, that was a little harsh ... or ... that makes no sense ... or oops, is that even a word?" Its easy to use inflammatory language and not appreciate that what might be an off the hand quip or remark could be interpreted as offensive.

I really wish more people would press the edit button.
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Here’s my issue that shows what type of person he is. As I have said in DM’s to other people, I originally thought he just misread what I wrote. However when he claimed to have a screenshot of MY post and then changed my post in his response, that takes the issue to a new level.
 
Multi Sport said:
But Fact says that he or she is unable to edit.. that he or she is "too cheap to pay". But you don't have to pay to edit. On top of that it doesn't show that the post was edited. So Fact makes a post, I read it. He or she edits the post then I respond to it. Problem with Fact is he or she is too full of it to admit it. Why would I respond what does white have to do with it if it was not in the original post?

I'm not like you who likes to post things and then claim amnesia or delete the post and claim to have never posted it.

And where is your buddy @JaP at these days? You two had the best arguments, even if he owned you all of the time.
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Someone claiming the JaP account still posts here on occasion. He avoids anything I post. So who "owned" whom?
 
MWN said:
My personal opinion on HS for both boys and girls is that only about 120 DA players in each gender are really being looked at for the National Team and and/or the pro ranks. The rest of the kids are fodder so the clubs and DA can have a league. Take the best 120 or 200 or whatever the number is and FULLY FUND their soccer (training, housing, schooling, etc.), take the rest of the kids that are not on the 100% DA/US Soccer/MLS scholarship and allow them to do what they want. For kids, especially girls, who have little to no professional path give up the social element of HS sports (soccer) is selfish and wrong of the DA. 99% of all DA players will never touch a National Team uniform or make the pro ranks ... let them get a fully rounded education and be student athletes for the HS.
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Totally agree although I think its more a matter of arrogance than selfishness. US Soccer claims that "The Development Academy upholds this rule (no outside activity) because we believe elite players require world class environments." We've enjoyed DA so far but to call it "world class" is a huge exaggeration. The training is no better or different than any other Flight 1 team. The only difference I've noticed is the quality of the reffing, which has been a significant improvement despite the fact we only have one ref for U12. It appears that US Soccer/DA doesn't believe in the philosophy "The game is the best teacher" but instead has the philosophy that "We know what's best for your child". It's this arrogance that is one of the fundamental problems with US Soccer and youth soccer in general. https://www.goal.com/en-us/news/cla...r-too-arrogant-far/1w9vcdubu5yhf1vj9c89qmxyib
 
MWN said:
  1. CIF Rules are you can't play Club and HS at the same time. Club (stop) --> HS (start) --> HS (finish) --> Club (start).
  2. The DA Rules are you can't come back to the DA if you play HS. DA (stop) --> HS (start) --> HS (finish) --> Club (start), but not DA until new season. The exception being you can come back to the DA if you went to a private school and received a waiver from the DA.
My personal opinion on HS for both boys and girls is that only about 120 DA players in each gender are really being looked at for the National Team and and/or the pro ranks. The rest of the kids are fodder so the clubs and DA can have a league. Take the best 120 or 200 or whatever the number is and FULLY FUND their soccer (training, housing, schooling, etc.), take the rest of the kids that are not on the 100% DA/US Soccer/MLS scholarship and allow them to do what they want. For kids, especially girls, who have little to no professional path give up the social element of HS sports (soccer) is selfish and wrong of the DA. 99% of all DA players will never touch a National Team uniform or make the pro ranks ... let them get a fully rounded education and be student athletes for the HS.
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I guess my question then is why is DA viewed differently the Club by CIF? Why would they allow a kid who is attending a Private HS (based on their soccer merits) who plays DA to double dip but a kid who plays ECNL cannot? Besides the fact that there are not as many tournaments for the olders out here for them to participate in this time of year, it seems odd that they are viewed differently .
 
MWN said:
And another thing ... with regard to "Edit-Gate": who really cares if the post was edited. Do you all know how many times I press the "post" button and then go back reread my post and say "damn, that was a little harsh ... or ... that makes no sense ... or oops, is that even a word?" Its easy to use inflammatory language and not appreciate that what might be an off the hand quip or remark could be interpreted as offensive.

I really wish more people would press the edit button.
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According to Fact you have to pay to edit... wrong.

I have no problem with edit feature. It's great to use but to post, then edit, then deny is lame..
 
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