Simisoccerfan
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LAFC Slammers Leaving DA
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So to make this simple I just looked at 2020's as they are going into their junior year right now and used the college commits listed on Top Drawer Soccer - of course this process is not without error (don't do this for a living )... but...
459 players are listed with college commits, 170 are from DA teams, 220 from ECNL teams, and 69 from other (not DA or ECNL). I even included in the DA numbers those clubs that are leaving DA and returning to ECNL (like LAFC Slammers for example).
459 players are listed with college commits, 170 are from DA teams, 220 from ECNL teams, and 69 from other (not DA or ECNL). I even included in the DA numbers those clubs that are leaving DA and returning to ECNL (like LAFC Slammers for example).
LadiesMan217
GOLD
701 -vs- 1862 girls also. None of it really matters anyways.
Soccercritique
BRONZE
All the DA had to do was do two things: 1) allow ALL players to play high school soccer and 2) take away the stupid substitution rule and it would have made ECNL a second rate league. When the initial teams were announced Michigan, Texas, Florida, PDA, and Norcal had all top 5 teams in the GDA. When they announced no HS, all (MVLA, Mustang, Davis, San Juan Deanza/Earthquakes) but EQ stayed in. Fast forward a year later and Hawks, PDA, Slammers and the Texas teams bounced. DA is not in it for the success of the clubs...the substitution rule alone hurts development. If I were a DOC, I'd leave too!
LadiesMan217
GOLD
Interested in how you feel the substitution rule hurts development? I agree the HS thing is a dumb for girls at this age. Just tell the YNT players they can't play HS, etc.
another aspect that is interesting is that each school had a mix of DA and ECNL in the recruitment class. Except for Virginia and Virginia Tech which had only DA players the others were a pretty good mix no matter what level of school.
There were 80 ECNL clubs this past year vs. 72
GDA clubs.
http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/2017-2018-girls-ecnl-club-map-final-use/
That makes it 2.75 commits per ECNL club vs. 2.36 commits per GDA club.
Soccercritique
BRONZE
I do think the substitution rule hurts development-especially at the younger ages. Once you leave the game, (even if its' 10-15 minutes into the game) you're out for good. Here's an example...there was a team playing, had 16 on the roster (coach likes to roster small for a more equal playing time model). In the first half, subbed two people. In the second half, subbed 3. Immediately after the second half started, one player injured her knee-down to 10. later in the game, another kid rolled her ankle. Now down to 9. Nevermind that we had 4 healthy kids on the bench, but couldn't reenter because of the stupid sub rule.
For teams that keep a roster of 18 for games...can you imagine how little playing time (or development in those games) kids get as a result of not being able to reenter games? The sub rule was one of the biggest reasons Hawks, PDA, and 2 of the Texas schools left...well that coupled with no HS...I'm not sure what the model is going to look like in 3-4 years. Right now, GDA will play second fiddle to ECNL and rightfully so...the models aren't the same (or shouldn't be). One is for national exposure, the other is kinda national but HUGE with college exposure. sorry so choppy...writing on my phone
Soccercritique
BRONZE
90% of our team had already committed before start of GDA. Numbers could be kind of skewed as a lot of these kids/national players committed pre-summer 2017
The “big picture” point is that college players come from both leagues.
Where do I f’n start? This is absolutely the dumbest rule at any level other than professional or the national team. Why?
Because in the only place it reallly matters, i.e. pro or national teams, players can either go 90 or they can’t, period!
In terms of “strategy” as a coach, if you can’t figure out which of the players can go 90 and who are your potential 3 subs, you’re a frickin moron. It’s not that complicated, in fact the 3 sub rule dumbs it down for everybody.
So all this talk about how important it is for players to know how to go 90 etc. is pure bullshit. If you’re only in shape to go 45, your coach should deal with it accordingly.
So to sum it up, if you’re a player, get your ass in shape to go 90. If you’re a coach, all you need to do is know who can and can’t go 90.
Anything below professional should be about making sure players know how to play. The nuances of the substitution rules are for the coaches at the higher levels, and as I’ve previously stated, it’s not that hard.
most people hate the DAs sub and HS rules I do to so lets email US soccer relentlessly until they get the message
communications@ussoccer.org Phone: (312) 808-1300
communications@ussoccer.org Phone: (312) 808-1300
SOCCERMINION
SILVER ELITE
Who has more collage commits is a debate that does not need to be made. GDA is not here to get your DD into College, its set up to find and develop the 1% of the 1% of the girls that will have a 1% change to ever make the national team. GDA does not want the girls spending any time doing anything other than Playing Soccer. Rightfully so. Having time for AP classes, IB programs preparing girls for collage is not whats makes Unicorns better at soccer. Soccer has to come before, school activities, grades , social activities and anything else if you want to be the 1% of the 1% GDA is looking for.
Now if you have a Unicorn who lives and breaths soccer and wants to be home schooled and always traveling and plays soccer week in and week out, day in and day out. Than thank the USSDA for giving your daughter GDA.
But do not compare number of scholarships given or complain or try to blame USSDA for not getting your daughter a collage scholarship. That's not what GDA is for nor what it is trying to do.
Simisoccerfan
PREMIER
A few corrections to your post. DA did not have a three sub rule. It allowed 5 subs over 3 substitution moments for league. At the DA showcases they allowed 7 subs. This coming season they are allowing 7 subs for league for all but the oldest age group. Still no re entry. Still require every rostered girl to start at least 25%. I venture to say that the 18th player probably gets more playing time playing DA then some other leagues where they never start and only get a few minutes a game.
PatsLaCoach
BRONZE
if the DA has the best players, then the 18th player should be the star at any F1, DPL, etc ??
I think we just found one that injects the koolaid directly into the blood stream.
But you got my point, right? Whatever the substitution rules are, whether it’s 5 or 7 is inconsequential at this point in development. Limiting the number of “substitution moments” to a certain number is fine for flow of the game.
I found a simpler solution - let the DA do whatever they want - Parents can find somewhere better for their DD's and not bother with DA. Why waste all that time and energy on a system that isn't worth it?