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I haven't seen anyone here accept it as fact, have you?
Espola accepts an application of theory that fails to account for the dynamics of earth's ecology.
It's a rigid, unyielding, ideological, adaptation of controlled theory.
What is the percentage of man's co2 contribution compared to naturally occurring greenhouse gas?
 
Depends on your definition of "proven". Many scientific theories are not 100% proven, hence the definition of theory.

We don't fully understand gravity, but still put men on the Moon. At some point you take a consensus and run with it, within reason of course.

Why do you prefer there be no policy decisions made, if you admit you don't know if AGW is real or not? Does your lack of knowledge on topics drive your political decisions?

I used to think that old aff leet (RIP) was just ignorant. But after repeated attempts to provide him with the facts, he kept falling back on his old politics. I treat his successor now as a dishonest troll, worth no more than a passing glance.
 
I used to think that old aff leet (RIP) was just ignorant. But after repeated attempts to provide him with the facts, he kept falling back on his old politics. I treat his successor now as a dishonest troll, worth no more than a passing glance.
There you go again...
Passing judgment as if you are the most intelligent poster on the site.
What a pompous buffoon.
So jackass, what is the percentage of man's co2 contribution compared to naturally occurring greenhouse gas?
 
Carbon credits needed....
Unbelievable..


Cheeseheads Should Cheer the Stupidity of California’s Proposed Methane Regulations
By Isaac Orr

The California Air Resources Board (CARB) is considering implementing strict new regulations that would require farmers to capture methane emissions produced by their cattle, which CARB claims might one day mean “a gallon of California milk might be the least greenhouse gas intensive in the world.” As someone who was born and raised on a dairy farm in Wisconsin and resents the fact California produces more milk than “America’s Dairyland,” part of me hopes they’re stupid enough to go through with them.

CARB’s proposed regulations would attempt to cut methane emissions from dairy operations in half by 2015 and provide a 75 percent reduction in dairy manure emissions by 2030. Regulators have suggested building dairy digesters to capture and convert methane into electricity, changing the diets of their cattle by adding methane-reducing additives and attempting to breed cattle that emit fewer methane emissions into the air.

entire article:
http://www.redstate.com/diary/Heart...ty-california’s-proposed-methane-regulations/
 
There you go again...
Passing judgment as if you are the most intelligent poster on the site.
What a pompous buffoon.
So jackass, what is the percentage of man's co2 contribution compared to naturally occurring greenhouse gas?
Nobody in the hysteria camp ever likes to cough that little stat up.
Wez was almost a skeptic and then his tail went right back between his legs.
He even thought for a moment, that nobody claimed AGW was proven fact.
 
Carbon credits needed....
Unbelievable..


Cheeseheads Should Cheer the Stupidity of California’s Proposed Methane Regulations
By Isaac Orr

The California Air Resources Board (CARB) is considering implementing strict new regulations that would require farmers to capture methane emissions produced by their cattle, which CARB claims might one day mean “a gallon of California milk might be the least greenhouse gas intensive in the world.” As someone who was born and raised on a dairy farm in Wisconsin and resents the fact California produces more milk than “America’s Dairyland,” part of me hopes they’re stupid enough to go through with them.

CARB’s proposed regulations would attempt to cut methane emissions from dairy operations in half by 2015 and provide a 75 percent reduction in dairy manure emissions by 2030. Regulators have suggested building dairy digesters to capture and convert methane into electricity, changing the diets of their cattle by adding methane-reducing additives and attempting to breed cattle that emit fewer methane emissions into the air.

entire article:
http://www.redstate.com/diary/HeartlandInstitute/2016/09/22/cheeseheads-cheer-stupidity-california’s-proposed-methane-regulations/
This is what happens when political science becomes a policy driver, and unelected, unaccountable government boards, like CARB are unleashed on the taxpayers.
 
I used to think that old aff leet (RIP) was just ignorant. But after repeated attempts to provide him with the facts, he kept falling back on his old politics. I treat his successor now as a dishonest troll, worth no more than a passing glance.
Its nice to see you open up, and say how you feel.
I dont think you're ignorant, or willingly dishonest. You're just old, and cranky, and a little slow witted.
It could be worse.
 
Why would we care what anyone practicing hysteria thinks? Are you suggesting AGW is hysteria?
If it was left to its own devices, the theory is harmless, and nothing more than a branch on a tree of scientific exploration.
It may one day help us understand how earth's climate actually works.

Is there hysteria?

Please.
 
Is there hysteria?

Is it hysteria to argue against what our scientists are telling us, to the point of promoting bunk science to protect certain interests?

The notion that many promote (Ted Cruz), that AGW is a left wing conspiracy to take more power away from the people, is, imho, more hysterical than people promoting an overly apocalyptic scenario.
 
Is it hysteria to argue against what our scientists are telling us, to the point of promoting bunk science to protect certain interests?
Hypocrite. Your trip to Hawaii and your entire life is an argument against what Scientist are telling you. You squash your own argument with every post. Oh and BTW, youʻre not a scientist and therefore should not pretend to be one. Scoot now and continue your daily fossil fuel consumption like the rest of us.
 
Bottom line, warming, like I said.
I dont see how you changed anything.
We are at the top, or near the top of a natural warming cycle that started roughly 20,000 year ago.
Is there any argument here?

Passing through. When I get back to this, let me make sure i understand. Your argument is that the climate warming we are seeing currently, with currently meaning the inception of direct measurements in the 1880's, is part of a natural warming trend that began 20,000 years ago at the trough of the last isolation minimum?
 
Proven --
if the quantity of carbonic acid [CO2] increases in geometric progression, the augmentation of the temperature will increase nearly in arithmetic progression.

The following equivalent formulation of Arrhenius' greenhouse law is still used today:

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Here C is carbon dioxide (CO2) concentration measured in parts per million by volume (ppmv); C0 denotes a baseline or unperturbed concentration of CO2, and ΔF is the radiative forcing, measured in watts per square meter. The constant alpha (α) has been assigned a value between five and seven.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svante_Arrhenius

Surprised nobody came back at you with this little chestnut from the climate blah-blah-blah-go-sphere. The ∆ gets lost somewhere along the way......

https://www.google.com/search?q=gra...sAQIHQ&biw=1267&bih=617#imgrc=1AI1GcqjXu10VM:
 
Passing through. When I get back to this, let me make sure i understand. Your argument is that the climate warming we are seeing currently, with currently meaning the inception of direct measurements in the 1880's, is part of a natural warming trend that began 20,000 years ago at the trough of the last isolation minimum?
Its seems to me, we are at, or near the top of a warming trend that started roughly 20,000 years ago.
The inception of current measurements plays a role, as far as it is continued for many thousands of years into the future, in determining the validity of past forms of measurement.
Today, we can see a sub-warming trend within the overall trend that picked up after the 1880s. Coincidentally, the 1880's signaled the end of a sub-cooling trend within the larger warming trend of the last 20,000 years.
So, yes, we are at, or near the top of a warming trend that started roughly 20,000 years ago.
Looking at some measurements, it appears we are in a plateau, where things can swing up or down, before the inevitable descent into cooler, and less hospitable days.
Its not "my argument", its just an observation based on historic patterns.
 
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