Blues COVID email

notintheface said:
Okay, so what's the number of people you're willing to have die from the virus?
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I heard 15 a while back, and 12,000 from another participant.

Totally by coincidence, this morning I was sorting out a box of mementos my mother sent me years ago. Included in that was an envelope from a government office with a few leftover sugar rationiing coupons in my name. It hadn't occurred to me that food rationing was still a thing when I was born in 1947, but I had the little government issued documents in my hands to prove it. Why is that relevant? During WW2, everyone participated because everyone recognized the war was a threat to everyone. No one claimed special privileges just because they didn't feel right doing it.

My message to all those resistors out there - Grow up!
 
Grace T. said:
Lovely to have you back....can't wait til the other 2 get out of prison to join us. You all add so much to the conversation. To answer the question you'd have to outline the exact parameters of the policy in place and define y. Only then can I tell if you I feel x<z.
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Outline your parameters as you see fit. You’re the one trying to turn the value of human life into a math equation - which it is not by the way - but let’s see your formula. How many people need to die before you admit that traveling interstate to play a child’s game, in person school and all your other nonsense was the wrong move? Otherwise, your nonsense that it’s a secret formula but you won’t tell us is just a load o’ crap.
 
EOTL said:
Outline your parameters as you see fit. You’re the one trying to turn the value of human life into a math equation - which it is not by the way - but let’s see your formula. How many people need to die before you admit that traveling interstate to play a child’s game, in person school and all your other nonsense was the wrong move? Otherwise, your nonsense that it’s a secret formula but you won’t tell us is just a load o’ crap.
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O.k. Prohibiting my family going to Utah. Kid and I are likely COVID positive. Older was more isolated there than here. Lives saved likely 0. Cost would be having a small kid go cukoo for cocopuffs and run suicidal. Totally worth it plus the added side effect of him having soccer and the older having a pool. On the other side would have to add the older hated it for that very reason of being more isolated which is definitely a reduction in the x as well.
 
notintheface said:
Serious question. How many more people are you willing to have die from this thing? Not looking for a long, drawn out explanation of "oh everyone's going to get it sooner or later" or "we'll lose more people from mental health issues" or "smoking kills more people than 9/11" or whatever. Just looking for a number. Another 100k? Another 200k? 500k? 1m? Just respond with a number of people you're willing to have die from the virus.
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I don’t want anybody to die. If ask you the same question for heart disease, obesity, cancer, etc...how many more people are you willing to let die? Where is the outrage over processed food, fast food, toxic ingredients, etc....smoking causes cancer. They are cancer sticks...why in the world do we sell them? The hypocrisy is endless. We don’t live in a bubble where Corona is the only thing to worry about.

I have no idea how many Rona will get...just like I have no idea how reliable the data reported is. Millions will die over time from the Flu Virus...Cancer, accidents and other causes. None of these things go away, MERS and SARS still exist and are both Corona Viruses. We all assume the risk that these things are out there and people live their lives.

All I’m saying is that if you are 55 and younger, in good health you have a very, very low death rate...and depending on your source, and data set you rely on, for this group the probability of death is in the Flu ballpark.

Nobody is denying Rona is contagious, and deadly for certain demographics. All I’m saying is my demographic is more likely to die by accident than by Corona Virus. Based on Data and Statistics that are publicly available. I’m fine assuming that risk, you may not be. That’s fine, we all have our own risk principles. What I don’t like is having my risk principles determined by people with political agendas.

I mean...c’mon you can peacefully protest, riot, loot, and vandalize property...that’s ok...no risk there...right? Hypocrites for days....

There are better ways to protect those at risk than shutting down the world. This began with faulty data and death models, experts doubled down, data models faulty, more bad data, numbers off, double down again because these experts are “right”, and here we are. It’s like a lie gone out of control...too far down a path to admit you are wrong and pivot.

I’m waiting for my ban, but this is a Covid Email thread so who knows...
 
EOTL said:
Outline your parameters as you see fit. You’re the one trying to turn the value of human life into a math equation - which it is not by the way - but let’s see your formula. How many people need to die before you admit that traveling interstate to play a child’s game, in person school and all your other nonsense was the wrong move? Otherwise, your nonsense that it’s a secret formula but you won’t tell us is just a load o’ crap.
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How is your Ivory Tower these days? Lonely I’m sure, but you’ve got to be used to that by now.
 
Woobie06 said:
There are better ways to protect those at risk than shutting down the world. This began with faulty data and death models, experts doubled down, data models faulty, more bad data, numbers off, double down again because these experts are “right”, and here we are. It’s like a lie gone out of control...too far down a path to admit you are wrong and pivot.
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Could you imagine Fauci, Cuomo, Newsome, and others saying...our bad...we didn’t need to lock down like this, shouldn’t have sent elderly back to homes, etc..burn our economy, spend trillions of $$$ in stimulus, create record unemployment...could you imagine if they said we made a couple mistakes, we were wrong, we should have done things differently, your committed to this decision...no walking it back, not getting that toothpaste back in the tube. Political suicide.
 
EOTL said:
Outline your parameters as you see fit. You’re the one trying to turn the value of human life into a math equation - which it is not by the way - but let’s see your formula. How many people need to die before you admit that traveling interstate to play a child’s game, in person school and all your other nonsense was the wrong move? Otherwise, your nonsense that it’s a secret formula but you won’t tell us is just a load o’ crap.
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EOTL,
I missed you sweetie. Welcome back.
XOXO
 
EOTL said:
The only real way to know exactly how many bones you’ll break jumping off a four story building is to do it. And since the science can’t figure out the exact number with 100% certainty in advance, you should just assume you’ll be fine. So irresponsible of the media to suggest that it’s almost certainly gonna hurt. What do they know?

Of course, even if you don’t survive, @MSK357 will just claim you would have lived but for your heartburn or other “comorbidity” and encourage others to keep jumping.
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Nope.
 
Woobie06 said:
Could you imagine Fauci, Cuomo, Newsome, and others saying...our bad...we didn’t need to lock down like this, shouldn’t have sent elderly back to homes, etc..burn our economy, spend trillions of $$$ in stimulus, create record unemployment...could you imagine if they said we made a couple mistakes, we were wrong, we should have done things differently, your committed to this decision...no walking it back, not getting that toothpaste back in the tube. Political suicide.
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How many other things do you deny? The holocaust? Sandy Hook never happened?
 
thelonggame said:
My kids hate online school. I'm sure most kids hate it. If your school opens up with whatever precautions, what is the next step when there are confirmed Covid cases in your kids school or in their class?
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LOL my kids love it! They aren't sure they ever want to go back.
 
thelonggame said:
How many other things do you deny? The holocaust? Sandy Hook never happened?
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Let me be CLEAR...I’m not denying anything, I’m interpreting data, give it a try. I DO NOT believe Sandy Hook was fake, or 9/11, or in other conspiracy theories...except maybe JFK cause it intrigues me.

I don’t believe in the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, Sasquatch (although I have seen some hairy dudes in locker rooms in High School and College that made me wonder)...

I do believe in Santa Clause because in our house if you don’t believe you don’t receive.
 
Woobie06 said:
Let me be CLEAR...I’m not denying anything, I’m interpreting data, give it a try. I DO NOT believe Sandy Hook was fake, or 9/11, or in other conspiracy theories...except maybe JFK cause it intrigues me.

I don’t believe in the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, Sasquatch (although I have seen some hairy dudes in locker rooms in High School and College that made me wonder)...

I do believe in Santa Clause because in our house if you don’t believe you don’t receive.
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OK, you don't deny anything. Principals around the country want to know the question you didn't answer. When someone gets Covid in your kids school or class, what happens next? You're saying that schools should re-open. When that happens and the virus shows up in your kids class, what do you do? That is the main reason that we can't return to normal. Since you are an expert at reading data, how should we react? Up to this point, there is no national plan and and leadership has given up on fighting it, as a result of this we're all on our own. Please show us the way.
 
thelonggame said:
OK, you don't deny anything. Principals around the country want to know the question you didn't answer. When someone gets Covid in your kids school or class, what happens next? You're saying that schools should re-open. When that happens and the virus shows up in your kids class, what do you do? That is the main reason that we can't return to normal. Since you are an expert at reading data, how should we react? Up to this point, there is no national plan and and leadership has given up on fighting it, as a result of this we're all on our own. Please show us the way.
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What do you do when the annual flu comes around, which stats show it’s much worse for kids then COVID? SDSU has had over 1000 kids diagnosed with COVID; Zero hospitalizations; all recovered. Open up all sports and schools. Simple.
 
Grace T. said:
Seriously, it's like explaining to my sixth grader why his algebra problem set is wrong even though he thinks he got the right answer.

a. "willing"...you are assuming control we don't have. If you compare results from Peru (harsh lockdowns, mask mandates) and Brazil (President who blew it off and went nearly full Sweden plus higher population density than Peru), Peru did worse on the 3 metrics: cases per thousand, hospitalizations and deaths.
b. The answer isn't x. X doesn't mean anything. X is nonsensical. It only shows, like my 6th grader, you don't understand the problem. A policy is analyzed by x= lives saves where y was the particular policy applied and z is the cost. The question is whether x<z when y is applied.
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Just give a number. Any number. Don't be afraid. I don't care about any relationship between X Y Z alpha beta whatever. Just give me X. How many people are you willing to have die of the virus?
 
Woobie06 said:
I don’t want anybody to die. If ask you the same question for heart disease, obesity, cancer, etc...how many more people are you willing to let die? Where is the outrage over processed food, fast food, toxic ingredients, etc....smoking causes cancer. They are cancer sticks...why in the world do we sell them? The hypocrisy is endless. We don’t live in a bubble where Corona is the only thing to worry about.
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So your answer is zero. You're willing to have zero people die of the virus. Fair?

By "opening up everything!!!!111!!!!1" that number will not be zero and everyone knows it. So what's your real number?
 
thelonggame said:
OK, you don't deny anything. Principals around the country want to know the question you didn't
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notintheface said:
So your answer is zero. You're willing to have zero people die of the virus. Fair?

By "opening up everything!!!!111!!!!1" that number will not be zero and everyone knows it. So what's your real number?
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Lighten up Francis! I can literally see you typing with a mask and gloves on.

I’ll get back to you later...I’m busy right now.
 
Just so I'm not hypocritical here: my number is 300k. Another 300k people are going to die of this virus before it's under control, and that's with the current restrictions that we're all living under. The moving average of daily deaths from Covid, with our current restrictions, runs at about 800 people per day. Multiply that by a year and you're at 300k. If we open things up, that number goes up, plain as day. I'm not willing to sacrifice more than 300k more people.
 
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