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soccerobserver
GOLD
Espola...basically you can read the annual reports yourself and bypass the third party articles...even Stevie Wonder would see that the WNT has a valid argument...
Here is the executive summary of the article that was kindly posted by Kicker4L...
From the Wall Street Journal:
"To recap where things stand: The women’s team has generated more revenue since 2016 than the men’s team; the women still earn less than the men in base pay from U.S. Soccer. That is a separate issue from FIFA, which doles out less in World Cup payouts to the women than it does to the men. The U.S. women have won four World Cups, while the men’s team has won zero.
"The U.S. Women’s National Team... has generated more revenue for U.S. Soccer than the men’s team has for three years running."
Here is the executive summary of the article that was kindly posted by Kicker4L...
From the Wall Street Journal:
"To recap where things stand: The women’s team has generated more revenue since 2016 than the men’s team; the women still earn less than the men in base pay from U.S. Soccer. That is a separate issue from FIFA, which doles out less in World Cup payouts to the women than it does to the men. The U.S. women have won four World Cups, while the men’s team has won zero.
"The U.S. Women’s National Team... has generated more revenue for U.S. Soccer than the men’s team has for three years running."
Frank
GOLD
Thank you. I will read.
End of the Line
SILVER ELITE
It's hard to say whether you're genuinely ignorant or being intentionally misleading. USSF is not a public benefit corporation. Public benefit corporations are almost exclusively creations of state law, with a few federal exceptions like Amtrak and the US Postal Service (more on that later). In NY, where USSF is incorporated, public benefit corps must have a board that includes elected state officials (USSF obviously does not) which makes them political by their very nature. Regardless, if USSF were a NY public benefit corp as you claim, it would be doing what is in the best interests of NY state overall. And because NY doesn't hate gay folk at the same rate as significant portions of the OC and some of the more backward areas of SD, making players wear rainbow jerseys is something the majority of New Yorkers would probably approve. But it would be none of your business since you aren't a NY resident.
In reality, USSF is a private non-profit incorporated in NY under NY state law. It is a non-profit just like all the major political parties, which kinda hurts your argument that non-profits should remain political. USSF is also a special kind of tax exempt non-profit (a 501(c)(3)), just like thousands of other companies that take strong stands on issues that you call "political" when you really mean "I don't like that I'm not getting what I want so I'll call the actions political, which sounds better than what I really mean, which is that I oppose civil rights". Regardless, and somewhat ironically, 501(c)(3)s are almost always the best type of private business entity that can support civil rights, which you misrepresent as "politics". Just a few examples of private, 501(c)(3) non-profits like USSF happen to be Planned Parenthood and the ACLU. One of the main purposes for creating 501(c)(3)s in the first place is to support causes, just as USSF is doing. The problem for you, which you apparently can't or won't formulate in your mind, is that you think religion deserves a more special place with its tax status and benefits than civil rights. But too f**king bad, cuz those rainbow jerseys are going to keep coming.
I am fully aware of the Ted Stevens Act. The Act created the US Olympic Committee which, in turn, designates certain private entities like USSF to oversee international and Olympic teams. This is probably where you are confused (or intentionally misleading) because USOC is a federally chartered corp, not USSF. USSF is just a private entity that USOC told "go for it" with respect to handling international soccer competitions. As it relates to USSF, the Ted Stevens Act essentially just provides an anti-trust exemption so that it doesn't have to compete with a bunch of different entities fighting with each other over who is going to send teams to international sports competitions, and so that foreign private s**tbags like FIFA don't make that decision themselves. USOC designating USSF to deal with international sports competitions is hardly different than the US Postal Service contracting with FedEx or UPS. The Postal Service doesn't bar private companies from supporting gay pride because that would be wrong - and political - if it tried to prevent private companies from supporting civil rights, just as USOC doesn't bar the private non-profits that send athletes to international competitions from supporting civil rights. You see, you have it backwards. If anything, your hope that USOC would intervene to prevent a private company from supporting civil rights would be "political". But USOC staying out of the way by not actively punishing do-gooders like USSF for supporting civil rights is, well, the opposite of political.
There is also nothing in the Ted Stevens Act that says any of the private entities that USOC designates cannot support civil rights. You should know since you quoted some of it and therefore presumably can read it all instead of the bits and pieces you cut-and-pasted above. Notably, support for LGBT rights encourages public participation in sports (by showing support for a historically oppressed minority), which is an express mandate of USOC (36 USC 2205). It also mandates USOC to promote a safe environment that is free from abuse, including the emotional abuse that Hinkle the homophobe and her friends seek to impose on the LGBT community (also 36 USC 2205). Sure, USOC might decide that one of the private entities it designated has done things so abhorrent that it takes away the designation (like with gymnastics), but your problem is with USOC since USSF can do whatever the f**k it wants as a private entity, and supporting civil rights is not abhorrent in the least bit.
This is a long way of saying you are wrong. And you have lost. Civil rights is here to stay, but the religious tax exemption only has about 20-30 years left before enough of the mongrel horde crossing the border procreates enough citizen voters to eliminate the tax exemption for churches.
soccerobserver
GOLD
Frank , please consider the sponsorship deals, which have grown to be much larger than the national team revenues.
All US National Team Revenues:
2011= $33 million 2018= $30 million -9.0% change
Sponsorship Deals:
2011= $17 million 2018= $49 million + 188% change
All US National Team Revenues:
2011= $33 million 2018= $30 million -9.0% change
Sponsorship Deals:
2011= $17 million 2018= $49 million + 188% change
Salary and earning potential is based on the market for your services. Men soccer players have a market for their services and women really don't. US Soccer pays women soccer player more than any one else.
That said, I don't blame them for trying to get a bigger piece of the pie. Go on strike if you think it will work. Skipping the world cup will get people's attention. When there really isn't a better market for your services, then you just need to do what you can to get more money. The NBA, NFL, and MLB players do not have a better market, so they need to go on strike to get a larger share of the revenue.
But when they leverage the legitimate issue of unequal pay for women, it cheapen's the real fight. In the workplace, gender is not an indicator of the effectiveness of an employee. Men are not better executives or professionals. But men get paid more. In the sports world, its not the same thing at all....two completely different products. For the USMNT team, they are paid more because a market exists and they don't need the USSF to make a living.
Its great if they want to bring attention to the issue of pay inequality for women, but I don't think they should pretend that its what they are dealing with.
That said, I don't blame them for trying to get a bigger piece of the pie. Go on strike if you think it will work. Skipping the world cup will get people's attention. When there really isn't a better market for your services, then you just need to do what you can to get more money. The NBA, NFL, and MLB players do not have a better market, so they need to go on strike to get a larger share of the revenue.
But when they leverage the legitimate issue of unequal pay for women, it cheapen's the real fight. In the workplace, gender is not an indicator of the effectiveness of an employee. Men are not better executives or professionals. But men get paid more. In the sports world, its not the same thing at all....two completely different products. For the USMNT team, they are paid more because a market exists and they don't need the USSF to make a living.
Its great if they want to bring attention to the issue of pay inequality for women, but I don't think they should pretend that its what they are dealing with.
Dos Equis
GOLD
I find this analogy highly misleading. As you point out, the USSF is a single purpose entity with an anti-trust exemption so it can be the sole team able to wear the US Flag and represent this country in international competitions. Now if US soccer simply turned to the LA Galaxy and said, "Hey, go represent us this time in the World Cup", your analogy might be relevant. That would mean other private groups would, in theory, be given the same opportunity, or at least there would be competition to earn that designation.
Are Civil Rights really here to stay, as you claim? I think each player on this team should have the same rights -- to speak their mind anyway they see fit (even if that means choosing to kneel during our anthem, which I find distasteful). They are not exempt from suffering repercussions personally and professional, but should not from an entity supported by our government through an exclusivity agreement making them our nations representatives. And those rights also include no compelled speech, meaning if they do not want to wear something that is clearly advocating a viewpoint (a pink ribbon, a black armband, or even a rainbow number), that is their right. And I have every right to disagree or agree with any one of them, and to do so publicly. It seems to me a lot of people on this board who claim to support Civil Rights only do so when they agree with the viewpoint of those taking advantage of those rights.
Sheriff Joe
DA
Maddow to Rapinoe: Will You Run For President?
Posted at 3:15 pm on July 10, 2019 by Kira Davis
Did you ever in your life think you’d hear the name of one female soccer player as much as you have in the last two weeks?
Megan Rapinoe is everywhere – hero, traitor, icon, athlete…whatever your opinion of her there are few places one can escape her presence these days.
After winning the World Cup, Rapinoe has been making the media round, answering all the same questions about Trump and hate and Trump and politics and Trump and more Trump and also Trump. On Tuesday she appeared with fellow lesbian icon Rachel Maddow and Maddow had a very pointed question for the soccer superstar…
Would she consider running for president?
Maddow: Public Policy Polling literally did a poll today…
Rapinoe: *laughing* Oh no!
Maddow: …which is you versus Trump in a presidential contest and you beat him by a point.
Oh well, we all know how the public polling worked out for Maddow’s predictions last time!
Rapinoe laughed, saying her girlfriend had already warned her to slow her roll on this one. While she didn’t seem to rule out anything, she did go on to talk about the need to move beyond just words and take action.
Sheriff Joe
DA
WARNING!
Strong language and patriotism ahead,
snowflakes beware.
WATCH: Hockey Coach Tells Players to Respect the Anthem or ‘Get the F*ck Out’
AP Photo/Rich Pedroncelli
DYLAN GWINN10 Jul 2019659
1:59
A hockey coach in Connecticut gave his players a locker room talk in which he told them that they would stand for the American and Canadian anthems, or they could “get the f*ck out.”
The video, posted to Facebook last month, shows minor league hockey coach Dan Krupinsky of the Hat Tricks making it clear to his players that “respect” for the anthems is expected.
“We’re not women’s soccer. We’re not the NFL,” Krupinsky said. “If there’s anybody here who is going to be disrespectful to either the American or the Canadian national anthem, grab your gear and get the f—- out now because you’ll never see the ice in this arena.”
“We don’t have that problem in hockey. We’re better than that, but there was no sense in wasting anybody’s time if that shit was going to happen.”
Watch:
When he’s not coaching hockey, Krupinsky is a police officer in Danbury, Connecticut.
Krupinsky told Todd Starnes of Fox News Radio, that he’s surprised by how much attention the video received.
“I thought it would get shared around town — maybe — but I never expected 6.5 million people,” he said.
“Coaches have a responsibility to keep their team squared away. We are fortunate to be in a place where we are a patriotic team and city.”
The issue of protesting the anthem during sporting events began in 2016 when former 49er quarterback Colin Kaepernick first sat, then knelt during the playing of the national anthem. Though the NFL protests have almost totally vanished, the issue gained primacy again this summer U.S. Women’s National Team co-captain Megan Rapinoe protested the anthem during the World Cup.
In addition, Rapinoe has refused a potential White House visit and also declined to place her hand over her heart during the anthem at Team USA’s victory parade in New York on Wednesday.
Strong language and patriotism ahead,
snowflakes beware.
WATCH: Hockey Coach Tells Players to Respect the Anthem or ‘Get the F*ck Out’
AP Photo/Rich Pedroncelli
DYLAN GWINN10 Jul 2019659
1:59
A hockey coach in Connecticut gave his players a locker room talk in which he told them that they would stand for the American and Canadian anthems, or they could “get the f*ck out.”
The video, posted to Facebook last month, shows minor league hockey coach Dan Krupinsky of the Hat Tricks making it clear to his players that “respect” for the anthems is expected.
“We’re not women’s soccer. We’re not the NFL,” Krupinsky said. “If there’s anybody here who is going to be disrespectful to either the American or the Canadian national anthem, grab your gear and get the f—- out now because you’ll never see the ice in this arena.”
“We don’t have that problem in hockey. We’re better than that, but there was no sense in wasting anybody’s time if that shit was going to happen.”
Watch:
When he’s not coaching hockey, Krupinsky is a police officer in Danbury, Connecticut.
Krupinsky told Todd Starnes of Fox News Radio, that he’s surprised by how much attention the video received.
“I thought it would get shared around town — maybe — but I never expected 6.5 million people,” he said.
“Coaches have a responsibility to keep their team squared away. We are fortunate to be in a place where we are a patriotic team and city.”
The issue of protesting the anthem during sporting events began in 2016 when former 49er quarterback Colin Kaepernick first sat, then knelt during the playing of the national anthem. Though the NFL protests have almost totally vanished, the issue gained primacy again this summer U.S. Women’s National Team co-captain Megan Rapinoe protested the anthem during the World Cup.
In addition, Rapinoe has refused a potential White House visit and also declined to place her hand over her heart during the anthem at Team USA’s victory parade in New York on Wednesday.
Sheriff Joe
DA
JULY 11, 2019
Like Kaepernick, Megan Rapinoe brings dishonor to her sport and to America
By Patricia McCarthy
Megan Rapinoe is so enamored of her own athletic prowess, she has somehow internalized the notion that we care what she thinks about the President, the anthem, the flag and the country. As Silvio Canto wrote here on Wednesday, she seems to think her superior skill at soccer gives her the right to insult all the Americans with political views that differ from hers.
Rapinoe demonstrated an embarrassing lack of class that contaminates her entire team. She is a woman who never learned that a bit of grace is an infectious thing in a good way. This, of course, makes her a hero to the hate-America left that populates CNN and MSNBC 24/7. Her disdain for the country to them means she is presidential material! Just ask Rachel Maddow.
The Left is now officially insane. This arrogant, disagreeable woman, Rapinoe, because she plays soccer well, thinks she has the right to trash everything and everyone she loathes. As Rush suggested, she is likely angling for a hefty contract with Nike or some other sports mega-company that will throw millions of dollars at her to spew her venom. It worked for failed NFL jerk Colin Kaepernick and Rapinoe checks off an additional box on the identity politics scale as a gay woman.
New York gave the women's soccer team a ticker tape parade and a platform.
Rapinoe addresses the victory parade crowd
(Fox Soccer screen grab via YouTube)
This victory is not equal to VE Day or akin to our astronauts' achievements in space. Not even close. MSNBC says Rapinoe is "filling the leadership void," that her place in the global spotlight " provides her an opportunity for a positive message." For heaven's sake; one would think she just managed to bring about world peace. Watching her team and its fans in Lyon chant "F*** Trump" on camera was obnoxious, a betrayal. These were Americans on foreign soil.
Like Kaepernick, Megan Rapinoe brings dishonor to her sport and to America
By Patricia McCarthy
Megan Rapinoe is so enamored of her own athletic prowess, she has somehow internalized the notion that we care what she thinks about the President, the anthem, the flag and the country. As Silvio Canto wrote here on Wednesday, she seems to think her superior skill at soccer gives her the right to insult all the Americans with political views that differ from hers.
Rapinoe demonstrated an embarrassing lack of class that contaminates her entire team. She is a woman who never learned that a bit of grace is an infectious thing in a good way. This, of course, makes her a hero to the hate-America left that populates CNN and MSNBC 24/7. Her disdain for the country to them means she is presidential material! Just ask Rachel Maddow.
The Left is now officially insane. This arrogant, disagreeable woman, Rapinoe, because she plays soccer well, thinks she has the right to trash everything and everyone she loathes. As Rush suggested, she is likely angling for a hefty contract with Nike or some other sports mega-company that will throw millions of dollars at her to spew her venom. It worked for failed NFL jerk Colin Kaepernick and Rapinoe checks off an additional box on the identity politics scale as a gay woman.
New York gave the women's soccer team a ticker tape parade and a platform.
Rapinoe addresses the victory parade crowd
(Fox Soccer screen grab via YouTube)
This victory is not equal to VE Day or akin to our astronauts' achievements in space. Not even close. MSNBC says Rapinoe is "filling the leadership void," that her place in the global spotlight " provides her an opportunity for a positive message." For heaven's sake; one would think she just managed to bring about world peace. Watching her team and its fans in Lyon chant "F*** Trump" on camera was obnoxious, a betrayal. These were Americans on foreign soil.
jojosoccer
SILVER ELITE
The final was over 5 days ago and I kind of already forgot about them.
I’m not thrilled with the team’s arrogant behavior and I quickly moved on. Congrats on winning 7 games with a stacked team. VAR calls to help US get lucky breaks to ensure the W....They really aren’t that big of a deal to me like I thought they would be.
More of a disappointment......along with the men’s team.....not looking forward to WC in Qatar either.....never going to a women's League game, ever...I don’t even know the name of the women’s league....I’m definitely over it.
I’m not thrilled with the team’s arrogant behavior and I quickly moved on. Congrats on winning 7 games with a stacked team. VAR calls to help US get lucky breaks to ensure the W....They really aren’t that big of a deal to me like I thought they would be.
More of a disappointment......along with the men’s team.....not looking forward to WC in Qatar either.....never going to a women's League game, ever...I don’t even know the name of the women’s league....I’m definitely over it.
jojosoccer
SILVER ELITE
Oh, and the Victory tour fundraiser coming up....
Who is going to bring their young impressionable daughters to watch US crush their opponents for $75 a seat, to raise money for their cause?
I wish the currucmstsnces were different and we were just celebrating the beautiful game.
Who is going to bring their young impressionable daughters to watch US crush their opponents for $75 a seat, to raise money for their cause?
I wish the currucmstsnces were different and we were just celebrating the beautiful game.
Do you need a tissue?
jojosoccer
SILVER ELITE
Yes
Rapinoe 1 - 0 over Jojo.
Lots of people.
Minus JoJo and Joe.
Wonder how much Joe would have been shitting his pants mad during the 60’s and 70’s when Black Athletes were fighting for equality?
Multi Sport
DA
So what happens if they lose a game during their victory tour? Do they change the name of the tour?
They already have their victory. Did you miss it?
jojosoccer
SILVER ELITE
Rapinoe 13 -0 Jojo
She’s kickin my butt!
Haha, I was at that 13-0 WC game and I enjoyed every minute of it.
It’s all the negative attention after they won that has become the let down.
She’s kickin my butt!
Haha, I was at that 13-0 WC game and I enjoyed every minute of it.
It’s all the negative attention after they won that has become the let down.