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Unofficial
Based on newspaper and internet reports

Good work Espola.

Please note that the Max Preps website also gives the standings for all the different leagues, including the Palomar League. They update the standings as the scores are reported, so maybe it's not as current as what you show. For instance, the Westview vs. La Costa Canyon boys game was not included as of Saturday evening since it was not reported in Sat morning’s paper.

Palomar Standings- Boys (http://www.maxpreps.com/FanPages/Group.mxp/California/Boys_Varsity_Soccer_Winter_06-07/AreaID-bab8c451-e991-413d-93ac-ee77067952a3/LeagueID-5918802e-d0f7-40e6-8cd3-df5403f48503)

Palomar Standings- Girls (http://www.maxpreps.com/FanPages/Group.mxp/California/Girls_Varsity_Soccer_Winter_06-07/AreaID-bab8c451-e991-413d-93ac-ee77067952a3/LeagueID-f69daf28-9dc0-470f-958e-d897f6c067a9)

Good work Espola.

Please note that the Max Preps website also gives the standings for all the different leagues, including the Palomar League. They update the standings as the scores are reported, so maybe it's not as current as what you show. For instance, the Westview vs. La Costa Canyon boys game was not included as of Saturday evening since it was not reported in Sat morning’s paper.

Palomar Standings- Boys (http://www.maxpreps.com/FanPages/Group.mxp/California/Boys_Varsity_Soccer_Winter_06-07/AreaID-bab8c451-e991-413d-93ac-ee77067952a3/LeagueID-5918802e-d0f7-40e6-8cd3-df5403f48503)

Palomar Standings- Girls (http://www.maxpreps.com/FanPages/Group.mxp/California/Girls_Varsity_Soccer_Winter_06-07/AreaID-bab8c451-e991-413d-93ac-ee77067952a3/LeagueID-f69daf28-9dc0-470f-958e-d897f6c067a9)

Thanks for the links.

My chart is based on a style I have used for years to show my kids' teams' circuits. I include every game score. In the older version, I color-coded the backgrounds to indicate win, loss, or draw. Maybe I'll get around to that here soon.

Also, the maxpreps standings are sorted by place which is an advantage over my chart which is sorted by distance from Poway.

Great link, Juan! Thanks.

However, they're goaltending stats are a bit odd and/or incomplete.

See attachment.

On both the boys and girls side, Poway, Torrey Pines and Westview can win the league title by winning the rest of their games. All other teams need help or tiebreakers.

See attachment.

On both the boys and girls side, Poway, Torrey Pines and Westview can win the league title by winning the rest of their games. All other teams need help or tiebreakers.What about RB on the girls side, wouldn't they win the title if they "run the table"?

Of course, it is highly unlikely that any of the teams will win the rest of their games.

Here are the links to the Max Preps standings which includes overall record and goal differentials,
Palomar Standings- Boys (http://www.maxpreps.com/FanPages/Group.mxp/California/Boys_Varsity_Soccer_Winter_06-07/AreaID-bab8c451-e991-413d-93ac-ee77067952a3/LeagueID-5918802e-d0f7-40e6-8cd3-df5403f48503)
Palomar Standings- Girls (http://www.maxpreps.com/FanPages/Group.mxp/California/Girls_Varsity_Soccer_Winter_06-07/AreaID-bab8c451-e991-413d-93ac-ee77067952a3/LeagueID-f69daf28-9dc0-470f-958e-d897f6c067a9)

What is more important, to win the league title or to win CIF playoffs? I seem to remember who wins CIF, not who wins league.

That would place importance on which team gets invited to the playoffs. Generally, all Palomar teams, on the girls side, except one, are usually invited.

What is more important, to win the league title or to win CIF playoffs? I seem to remember who wins CIF, not who wins league.

That would place importance on which team gets invited to the playoffs. Generally, all Palomar teams, on the girls side, except one, are usually invited.I think a CIF championship is more important....you have to beat out many more teams and you are considered the best team in the county (at your respective division) with a CIF title.

That being said, in a few rare cases it is a greater accomplishment to win a league championship than a CIF championship. For my dd's team (a D2 school playing in a league of D1 giants), it is tougher to win a league championship.

Will Poway make the jump to #1 in the county rankings....after all they are in 1st place ahead of TP in the league standings?

Will Poway make the jump to #1 in the county rankings....after all they are in 1st place ahead of TP in the league standings?

Probably not, the girls only tied Torrey, which is usually not enough to move a lower team over a higher team. Rankings are fun to brag about but its all about what happens on the field. Any team can beat another team.

After losing to RB 2-0 last night, the Poway boys will probably fall a few notches though.

What about RB on the girls side, wouldn't they win the title if they "run the table"?

Of course, it is highly unlikely that any of the teams will win the rest of their games.

Here are the links to the Max Preps standings which includes overall record and goal differentials,
Palomar Standings- Boys (http://www.maxpreps.com/FanPages/Group.mxp/California/Boys_Varsity_Soccer_Winter_06-07/AreaID-bab8c451-e991-413d-93ac-ee77067952a3/LeagueID-5918802e-d0f7-40e6-8cd3-df5403f48503)
Palomar Standings- Girls (http://www.maxpreps.com/FanPages/Group.mxp/California/Girls_Varsity_Soccer_Winter_06-07/AreaID-bab8c451-e991-413d-93ac-ee77067952a3/LeagueID-f69daf28-9dc0-470f-958e-d897f6c067a9)

If RB wins out, they will be tied with Poway in points and they would have split the two games. What are the tiebreakers?

If RB wins out, they will be tied with Poway in points and they would have split the two games. What are the tiebreakers?Good question. Would there be a tie-breaker in this scenario? I beleive there have been league co-champions in past years....maybe that would be the case here. Haven't seen anything about tiebreakers in CIF rules.

See attached chart.

Boys notes: Both Poway and Torrey pines can win the league by winning out, so the last contest between the two should decide the league. That game at Torrey Pines game has been moved from Friday 2-9 to Monday 2-12. Poway Coach Gene Morris has a CYSA-S State Cup game at 8AM Saturday in Bakersfield.

Girls notes: A three-way tie for the lead more than halfway through the season: Poway, Torrey Pines, Rancho Bernardo.

Girls notes: A three-way tie for the lead more than halfway through the season: Poway, Torrey Pines, Rancho Bernardo.Isn't RB in 1st, I was told that it is 3 points for a win, 1 for a tie in Palomar League play.
RB-13 pts., Poway-12 pts., Torrey Pines-12 pts., Westview- 8 pts., LCC- 4 pts., MC- 0 pts.

Palomar League Overall GF-GA

Rancho Bernardo 4-1-1 9-4-1 25-20
Torrey Pines 3-0-3 9-0-3 33-7
Poway 3-0-3 13-1-6 51-17
Westview 2-2-2 8-5-6 31-17
La Costa Canyon 1-4-1 6-7-1 14-15
Mt. Carmel 0-6-0 7-8-2 29-30

Isn't RB in 1st, I was told that it is 3 points for a win, 1 for a tie in Palomar League play.
RB-13 pts., Poway-12 pts., Torrey Pines-12 pts., Westview- 8 pts., LCC- 4 pts., MC- 0 pts.

2 points for win. This isn't Presidio League.

This isn't Presidio League.
Really, it isn’t? Thanks for pointing that out, I didn’t notice the clearly labeled “HIGH SCHOOL SOCCER” in the SubForum heading. Now I realize, so make a mental note of it . . . wait, I see you're out of paper.

2 points for win.Where is this written, post your source.
According to several HS coaches, the UT, the North County Times, and the North County Conference seeding committee representative, it is 3 points for a win in Palomar League. But, of course, what do they know?

Really, it isn’t? Thanks for pointing that out, I didn’t notice the clearly labeled “HIGH SCHOOL SOCCER” in the SubForum heading. Now I realize, so make a mental note of it . . . wait, I see you're out of paper.

Where is this written, post your source.
According to several HS coaches, the UT, the North County Times, and the North County Conference seeding committee representative, it is 3 points for a win in Palomar League. But, of course, what do they know?

All the sources I look at use a winning percentage as the ranking criteria, with ties counting for half a win. This has long-time historical precedents. About a decade ago, some gaming leagues (including professional leagues, although a little earlier) starting using tournament-style point system scoring for regular season league standings. (The old NASL was the first place I saw the "6-3-0+goals up to 3" system we often see in youth tournaments today). To the best of my knowledge (and I looked all over CIF websites this weekend) there has never been a ruling instituting a three-point-win scoring system in San Diego CIF soccer. However, I couldn't find anything like a Palomar League website, and the league decides who gets the #1 seed - anyone know of such a site?

My 2-1-0 point system will produce the same effect (rank the teams in the same order) as long as the teams all play an equal number of games (which is true in the long run for Palomar League). However, it is technically incorrect, and my posted charts in the future will include both PCT and Points columns.

As for your sources: HS coaches are often club coaches - perhaps they are confused. The UT has not published high school soccer league standings all year, and last year they were done on a tie-is-half-a-win basis. As for NCTimes: here is a link to a standings chart which shows a team in second place with a 4-1-1 record, behind the first place team with a 4-1-0 record.

http://www.nctimes.com/nctvarsity/soccerboys/06/stats/stand2.shtml

Finally, here is the MaxPreps Palomar League girls soccer standings (all three teams (RB, Poway< TP) are tied at .750)

http://www.maxpreps.com/FanPages/Group.mxp/California/Girls_Varsity_Soccer_Winter_06-07/AreaID-bab8c451-e991-413d-93ac-ee77067952a3/LeagueID-f69daf28-9dc0-470f-958e-d897f6c067a9

or the same link, converted by TinyURL

http://tinyurl.com/yojvw5

All the sources I look at use a winning percentage as the ranking criteria, with ties counting for half a win.Those sources are wrong if they count a tie as half a win.

....here is the MaxPreps Palomar League girls soccer standings (all three teams (RB, Poway< TP) are tied at .750).
Max Preps is also wrong, at least for the Palomar League...the 3 teams are not tied.

My 2-1-0 point system will produce the same effect (rank the teams in the same order) as long as the teams all play an equal number of games (which is true in the long run for Palomar League).This is an incorrect statement. As I already pointed out, the RB team is in sole possesion of 1st place in the Palomar League (Girls) with 13 points and all the teams have played an equal number of league games. If league ended today, RB would be declared the Palomar League Champion, although you show them as tied for first. Your posted charts are in need of revision.

As for your sources: HS coaches are often club coaches - perhaps they are confused.I have a sneaky feeling that HS coaches know the difference between club soccer and high school soccer.…..they are not confused. These coaches understand the rules and what is needed to win a league banner for their HS, you should give them more credit.

To the best of my knowledge (and I looked all over CIF websites this weekend) there has never been a ruling instituting a three-point-win scoring system in San Diego CIF soccer. However, I couldn't find anything like a Palomar League website, and the league decides who gets the #1 seed - anyone know of such a site?
It’s not on a website.

Information on standings (and other rules) can be found in the Constitution and Regulations of the North County Conference. The point system used for standings is documented in the North County Conference Red Book. The NCC is made up of the 19 schools – divided between the Avocado, Palomar and Valley leagues. On page 40 of the NCC Red Book the soccer regulations are listed, including the three-point-win scoring system. Also stated in the Red Book, “The team with the most points wins the league” – in case of ties, head to head competition in the second round is the tie-breaker. The league champion receives an automatic entry into the playoffs – though not guaranteed a home game.

Ask the AD at your kid’s school, he/she has a copy of the NCC Red Book and should be able to show you that your insistence a tie is worth half a win is incorrect.

[QUOTE=Juan Cabrillo]
Information on standings (and other rules) can be found in the Constitution and Regulations of the North County Conference. The point system used for standings is documented in the North County Conference Red Book. The NCC is made up of the 19 schools – divided between the Avocado, Palomar and Valley leagues. On page 40 of the NCC Red Book the soccer regulations are listed, including the three-point-win scoring system. Also stated in the Red Book, “The team with the most points wins the league” – in case of ties, head to head competition in the second round is the tie-breaker. The league champion receives an automatic entry into the playoffs – though not guaranteed a home game.

[QUOTE]

Learn something new every day. I'll include column for that in the next chart.

Generally, all Palomar teams, on the girls side, except one, are usually invited.Last year all 6 teams were in the CIF playoffs, even Mount Carmel who was 0-10 in league play. I guess there is a lot of respect for the Palomar League.
It looks like it may happen again this year (all 6).

I remember that...although I forgot it...It's tough getting old...

Did Mt. Carmel win a CIF game?

Did Mt. Carmel win a CIF game?I beleive they won their 1st game and then lost....my memory isn't much better. Although they've lost all their league games so far this year, they seem to be a stronger team and had a pretty good non-league year....they will probably get a CIF invite again for Div II.

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Poway-Torrey Pines boys game is postponed until Monday. Winner of that game will be in first place, loser in second, tie goes to TP.

See attached.

Poway-Torrey Pines boys game is postponed until Monday. Winner of that game will be in first place, loser in second, tie goes to TP.

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