I don't know if this is a good news or bad (please don't shoot the messenger), but here it is:

As of this morning 2/18/05 at 8:45am, games at Bakersfield and Lancaster are still on as scheduled. Mandatory check-in tonight for GU13 in Bakersfield at Best Value Inn Hotel 6-10 pm, and BU13 at Lancaster Soccer Complex, also 6-10 pm

What times do the Arks leave for Lancaster and Bakersfield?

Seriously, though, at what point WOULD they cancel for this weekend? Cat makes very good points about the dangerous conditions, especially on the Grapevine. And if it turns to snow -as it looks like it might on Sunday - how the heck would people get back south if the Grapevine is closed? I mean, just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you SHOULD, and this weekend is darn sure looking like that.

Also, I have been hearing about the possibility of the teams that were supposed to play at Berdoo and Temecula this weekend being moved to Bakersfield and Lancaster for next weekend, one reason being that there are no rooms in Berdoo due to NASCAR event. Any truth or halftruths there? Thanx.

I have not heard that, but in the past we have had State Cup in San Bernardino at the same time as NASCAR

Originally posted by Statecup@Feb 18 2005, 08:53 AM
I don't know if this is a good news or bad (please don't shoot the messenger), but here it is:

As of this morning 2/18/05 at 8:45am, games at Bakersfield and Lancaster are still on as scheduled.* Mandatory check-in tonight for GU13 in Bakersfield at Best Value Inn Hotel 6-10 pm, and BU13 at Lancaster Soccer Complex, also 6-10 pm
no one should "shoot the messenger" any and all info still good.
just means I don't have to call 15 parents yet...........cool!

All State Cup games this weekend have been cancelled. This includes Bakersfield and Lancaster (2/18/05 - 11:00 am)

Thanks for coming on here and posting as quickly as possible.

I think a lot of inquiring minds are wondering with the projected rain throughout the weekend and next week how and when will the games resume?

Will any fields be dry enough to play (will the facilities allow us to play)?

Will Cal South seriously consider playing the 26th and 27th?

I have been informed, although not definite, that Cal South BOD will not let us play on Saturday, Feb 26. There is a possibility that they will on Sunday, Feb 27. However, the unstable weather factor still remains, as rain is projected to continue through Wednesday. I think some fields, like Rancho Capistrano, might not be ready to play next weekend anyway. As always, I will let you know the minute I know anything.

Thanks for posting here! It really helps me keep the team updated as quickly as possible worthy3

Now, on to unpacking the car and checking local movie times!
I already have them for Palmdale.....

OH WELL, Looks like a CIF game and the Daytona 500 on the tube.........

It never rains in California>>>>>>>>>>>>>la la la la la la

Cal South,

Looking at the youngers - if the kids don't play on the 26th, how about 2 games on the 27th (not just one). Anything to get this thing moving along.

Originally posted by SoCal_Dad@Feb 18 2005, 12:34 PM
OH WELL, Looks like a CIF game and the Daytona 500 on the tube.........

It never rains in California>>>>>>>>>>>>>la la la la la la
...or "Pave paradise, and put up an indoor court."

IMPORTANT BULLETIN: due to the inclement weather and poor conditions of the playing venues, ALL Open and National Cup games scheduled for this weekend have been cancelled at all venues. The overriding concern is for the safety of our members traveling to and from the venues as well as at the venues themselves. This is an update from yesterday's bulletin. Please check the State Cup page for schedule updates. - Feb 18 @ 11:15pm

Originally posted by Garman Freidlander+Feb 18 2005, 11:49 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Garman Freidlander @ Feb 18 2005, 11:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-SoCal_Dad@Feb 18 2005, 12:34 PM
OH WELL, Looks like a CIF game and the Daytona 500 on the tube.........

It never rains in California>>>>>>>>>>>>>la la la la la la
...or "Pave paradise, and put up an indoor court." [/b][/quote]
Been there, done that, my son hated it, rug burns..................lol
indoor and futsal too!

Thanks Statecup!!! worthy3 Great idea to have an insider keep us up to date!!! Your input is very much needed and welcomed! cheers

Originally posted by Statecup@Feb 18 2005, 11:26 AM
I have been informed, although not definite, that Cal South BOD will not let us play on Saturday, Feb 26. There is a possibility that they will on Sunday, Feb 27. However, the unstable weather factor still remains, as rain is projected to continue through Wednesday. I think some fields, like Rancho Capistrano, might not be ready to play next weekend anyway. As always, I will let you know the minute I know anything.
Thank you for the update.

Now - to all of us on this board - and not shooting themessenger - please start working those phones, FAXs and E-mails. Get your parents, coaches, club BOD, technical directors, EVERYONE to start bombarding the the CalSouth BOD members about this being unacceptable. Soccer Nation or not, we HAVE TO PLAY on the 26th to get this thing done. It is ridiculous to not play that weekend just because of a CalSouth fundraiser. Having the kids play is more important than having CalSouth's staff get their moment in the spotlight.

You can find names and phone numbers for the board members and executive staff at CalSouth's web site (http://www.calsouth.com)

For the lazy ((you can get links to send emails))

http://www.calsouth.com/directory.htm


((then you got the faxes and telephones))

Directory of Cal South Officers
Office
Name
Telephone

President
Rod Short
(909) 376-5812 (Ph)
(951) 788-6105 (Fax)

Vice President
Maureen Alvarez
(909) 446-8397(Ph/Fax)

Assistant Vice President
Paul Doty
(714) 970-9465 (Ph/Fax)
District 2 (San Diego County North)
John Mullen
(858) 793-0237 (Ph/Fax)

District 3 (Orange County)
Mike Tiampo
(949) 559-6883 (Ph)
(949) 559-4762 (Fax)

District 4 (Los Angeles County)
Derek Barraza (562) 544-9578 (Ph)
(562) 684-0580(Fax)


District 5 (San Bernardino/Riverside Counties)
Rito Chisholm (760) 948-8135 (Ph/Fax)
District 6 (Kern County and Antelope Valley portion of Los Angeles County)
Greg Falk
(661) 995-9209(Ph)
(661) 327-1087(Fax)

District 7 (San Luis Obispo/Santa Barbara/Ventura Counties)
Lois Sanford
(805) 499-1081(Ph/Fax)



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Treasurer
Ken Goldman
(310) 226-7545

Secretary
David De Leon
(714) 738-5125

District 1 (San Diego South/Imperial Counties)
Mike Chase
(619) 435-6616 (Ph)
(619) 435-6617 (Fax)


Cal South Committee Chairpersons
Committee
Name
Telephone

Immediate Past President
Ray Horspool
(951) 684-9167 (Ph)
(951) 684-4550 (Fax)

State Youth Referee Administrator
Heros Baghoumian
(818) 249-4295 (Ph)
(818) 249-4296 (Fax)

Rules & Revisions Committee
Jim Bigelow
(805) 481-7633 (Ph)

USYSA National Youth Cup
Mike Connerley
(760) 944-7176 (Ph)
(760) 944-4256 (Fax)

Cal South State Cup Open Cup
Franke Conroe
(619) 279-1514

Cal South Recreational Championship and American Cup Committee
Cindy Garza
(661) 272-9664

Tournament Committee
Frank Sanford
(661) 254-7449


Protest and Appeals Committee
Charley Enzler
(909) 797-4694 (Ph)
(909) 797-3804 (Fax)

Recreation/Membership Committee
Open
Cultural Exchange Committee
Open


TopSoccer Committee
Sandy Castillo
(714) 524-3354 (Ph)
(714) 524-1774 (Fax)
Computer Committee
Open

Campership Committee
Open


Finance Committee
Ken Goldman
(310) 226-7545

Risk Management Committee
Lilia Smith
(619) 934-8746(Ph)

Referee Disciplinary Committee
Paul Doty
(714) 970-9465 (Ph/Fax)


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Cal South Office Staff
(714) 778-2972
(714) 441-0715 (fax)
Office
Name

To State Cup rep:

Heard the complex in Bakersfield was ready and able to go last weekend and are ready to go this weekend as well.

What is the reason these games are getting cancelled?

It is obviously not due to field closures so is it complaining parents or insurance or???

Would like to know for future instances.

Thanks :uhm:

Sent my e-mails. Have no problem with delays if it's due to weather or poor road conditions. Do have a problem if it's due to Soccer Nation being more important than kids playing soccer.

Why didn't Soccer Nation get scheduled later on in the year and not so close to Open and Natl Cups?

Here is how to get back on schedule and still not play on the 26th.

Statecup postpones going from a round of 32 to a round of 64 for a year (2006).

For GU11 invite the 25 division winners and 7 best 2nd place finishers (send out emails, letters apologizing to the other 32 teams)

Play the round of 32 and round of 16 on the 27th.

Complete quarter-,semi-, and finals the week of end of 5 March.

THe same teams likely make it to the round of 8. No real harm done.

Originally posted by g91@Feb 18 2005, 01:15 PM
To State Cup rep:

Heard the complex in Bakersfield was ready and able to go last weekend and are ready to go this weekend as well.

What is the reason these games are getting cancelled?

It is obviously not due to field closures so is it complaining parents or insurance or???

Would like to know for future instances.

Thanks :uhm:
Have you talked to a field coordinator in Bakersfield as of 10am this morning? Have you spoken to a CalTrans worker about the I-5 and GrapeVine?

Didn't think so.

Originally posted by Cat+Feb 18 2005, 01:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Cat @ Feb 18 2005, 01:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-g91@Feb 18 2005, 01:15 PM
To State Cup rep:

Heard the complex in Bakersfield was ready and able to go last weekend and are ready to go this weekend as well.

What is the reason these games are getting cancelled?

It is obviously not due to field closures so is it complaining parents or insurance or???

Would like to know for future instances.

Thanks :uhm:
Have you talked to a field coordinator in Bakersfield as of 10am this morning? Have you spoken to a CalTrans worker about the I-5 and GrapeVine?

Didn't think so. [/b][/quote]
YES I have. Fields were ready to go and the grapevine has been down to two lanes for a month. Why such a fear of the rain. Are you going to melt or something??? I guess cats do hate water. Just spoiled here in socal. There must be no soccer in Seattle. violin

Originally posted by g91@Feb 18 2005, 01:15 PM
To State Cup rep:

Heard the complex in Bakersfield was ready and able to go last weekend and are ready to go this weekend as well.

What is the reason these games are getting cancelled?

It is obviously not due to field closures so is it complaining parents or insurance or???

Would like to know for future instances.

Thanks :uhm:
Both Lancaster and Bakersfield felt that they could go on based on reports of how much rain they would get in their areas. However, around 10:30 am it became evident that they received and will continue to receive more rain then anticipated. Poor field conditions combined with dangerous long distance driving conditions led to only one possible solution, postpone the games once again.

Statecup,

The big problem is that if this drags out much longer you may get teams that will not be able to play. We play at u-11 and never dreamed that we could be delayed this long. We have played games in downpours before. Look at league cup. March 12-13 I have seven players that will be out of town that leaves me with eight. We will have to forfeit and we are one of the top 10 teams at that age.

Howzabout limiting the number of entries in the first place? In GU11 for example there were 98 teams, making the first weekend a waste by eliminating a whopping 34 teams. No surprises and virtually everyone who was expected to go thru went thru.

Not to sound elitist in any way shape or form, but why the heck should SC be taking Matrix teams? Or 2-12 Bronze teams? These poor teams get their arses handed to them, which is not a feel-good deal for them and amounts to just a nonchallenging scrimmage for their opponents. Seems like there should be a cutoff for both expediency and reality-checks, say, no team sub-.500 or that finished below 4th or 5th place in their circuit gets in.

Our 1 and something bronze team didn't their ars' handed to them and had they pulled out a tie in the last game, they would have taken second in their pool and moved on. You just never know sometimes!!!

Enough already! Dragging this on any longer than necessary is outrageous!

Mid March teams are going to start missing players that made off season committments - therefore requiring team forfeits. Because of a Soccer Expo??? At some point, the last team standing will be deemed State Cup Champion. What a farce!

Couldn't CalSouth have rescheduled the Soccer Nation a lot easier than games for over 1,000 teams? If it is clear next Saturday and NO games are being played, can you say "BOYCOTT"? That ought to send a strong message.

Originally posted by Garman Freidlander@Feb 18 2005, 02:43 PM
Howzabout limiting the number of entries in the first place? In GU11 for example there were 98 teams, making the first weekend a waste by eliminating a whopping 34 teams. No surprises and virtually everyone who was expected to go thru went thru.

Not to sound elitist in any way shape or form, but why the heck should SC be taking Matrix teams? Or 2-12 Bronze teams? These poor teams get their arses handed to them, which is not a feel-good deal for them and amounts to just a nonchallenging scrimmage for their opponents. Seems like there should be a cutoff for both expediency and reality-checks, say, no team sub-.500 or that finished below 4th or 5th place in their circuit gets in.
Sorry, but that is not a solution. State Cup competition is open for all teams meeting certain requirements. How good the team is, or team statistics are not one of those requirements. This is no different then League Cup which is open to all teams in the age bracket regardless of their accomplishments. Weaker or beginning teams have the same right to compete as better and experienced teams.

So, is it possible to go direct to 32 teams?

You go from 63 elimination games to 31 elimination games.

Or 27 February you go from 56 games to 24 games.

THe whole things becomes much simplier.

THe 64 knockout round is new, we have special circumstances why not postpone it.

And it keeps you out of 26 February and out of the weekend of 12, 13 March.

You still keep the teams that were 3-0 and 2-1 in the tournament. It is only the teams that won a single game that stay home. Getting into elimination round has always required winning two games.

GU9/10 Proposal copied from another post.

27th - Round of 32 and Round of 16
5th - Quarters and semis
6th - Finals
Still can finish on the 6th as proposed. If they are only going to play 1 day next weekend, at least play 2 games so we can get this thing moving.

Originally posted by Peter_D_Brown@Feb 18 2005, 03:23 PM
So, is it possible to go direct to 32 teams?

You go from 63 elimination games to 31 elimination games.

Or 27 February you go from 56 games to 24 games.

THe whole things becomes much simplier.

THe 64 knockout round is new, we have special circumstances why not postpone it.

And it keeps you out of 26 February and out of the weekend of 12, 13 March.

You still keep the teams that were 3-0 and 2-1 in the tournament. It is only the teams that won a single game that stay home. Getting into elimination round has always required winning two games.
In the past, we did not go to round of 64. But, with almost 100 teams entered in one age group, we did not want to eliminate almost 70 teams after 1st weekend. We felt that going into the round of 64 gave everyone another chance for that one bad game they might have played.
Now, put yourself into one of those teams that you are asking to eliminate. They have been told that they have advanced. We can't go back to them now and eliminate them. How would you feel if this was your team? Weather is normally not a problem here. This year we are facing these adverse conditions, but we will find a solution. However, no matter what the solution will be, 50% will agree and 50% will disagree.

Statcup,

I would be relieved if my team was eliminated by reducing the tournament from 64 to 32 teams.

We have things built into our personal schedule that may cause my daughters and a lot of girls to be unable to play in March.

THe tournmanet has to be down to eight teams (actually 1 would be better) by the end of 27 February.

THe League Cup analogy is not fair. State Cup is after League Cup and the teams were sticking together.

If the tournament goes into March there will be forfeits and teams playing with 11 or 12 girls. We are already starting to lose kids.

Originally posted by Admin@Feb 18 2005, 03:34 PM
GU9/10 Proposal copied from another post.

27th - Round of 32 and Round of 16
5th - Quarters and semis
6th - Finals
Still can finish on the 6th as proposed. If they are only going to play 1 day next weekend, at least play 2 games so we can get this thing moving.
Admin, understand that U9 and U10 uses different goals. With BU9/10 and GU9/10 rouned of 32, that is 64 games. You can't schedule much more than that at one venue. And, since these fields are smaller with smaller goals, they cannot be played on other fields where U11 and up plays. But, keep throwing out your suggestions, perhaps there will be one that we have not considered.

Originally posted by Statecup+Feb 18 2005, 04:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Statecup @ Feb 18 2005, 04:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Peter_D_Brown@Feb 18 2005, 03:23 PM
So, is it possible to go direct to 32 teams?

You go from 63 elimination games to 31 elimination games.

Or 27 February you go from 56 games to 24 games.

THe whole things becomes much simplier.

THe 64 knockout round is new, we have special circumstances why not postpone it.

And it keeps you out of 26 February and out of the weekend of 12, 13 March.

You still keep the teams that were 3-0 and 2-1 in the tournament. It is only the teams that won a single game that stay home. Getting into elimination round has always required winning two games.
In the past, we did not go to round of 64. But, with almost 100 teams entered in one age group, we did not want to eliminate almost 70 teams after 1st weekend. We felt that going into the round of 64 gave everyone another chance for that one bad game they might have played.
Now, put yourself into one of those teams that you are asking to eliminate. They have been told that they have advanced. We can't go back to them now and eliminate them. How would you feel if this was your team? Weather is normally not a problem here. This year we are facing these adverse conditions, but we will find a solution. However, no matter what the solution will be, 50% will agree and 50% will disagree. [/b][/quote]
We'll do whatever. At this point we just want to get the season done. I'm sure there are many of us that would just rather blow it off at this point, but I realize there are too many adult egos involved for that to happen.

Next Wednesday will mark the team's one year anniversary of it's first team meeting, so you can see it's been a long year.

Please be aware that we have been lulled into thinking these dry winters are the normal weather pattern. They are not. We've been in a drought for the last 5-7 years; what we're seeing now is much more normal. CYSA needs to consider this in future years' planning - that SC is played smack dab in the middle of rainy season. CYSA needs to balance expediency with its inclusionary policies, as the current sitch demonstrates and as these companion posts attest.

I do very much appreciate your timeliness and useful feedback.

StateCup,

Can you PLEASE give us a yes or no answer to the following question.

Will State Cup games be played on the 26th of February?

Originally posted by Statecup@Feb 18 2005, 11:26 AM
I have been informed, although not definite, that Cal South BOD will not let us play on Saturday, Feb 26. There is a possibility that they will on Sunday, Feb 27.
Previous Post by Statecup:

Originally posted by Statecup@Feb 18 2005, 04:41 PM
Admin, understand that U9 and U10 uses different goals.* With BU9/10 and GU9/10 rouned of 32, that is 64 games.* You can't schedule much more than that at one venue.* And, since these fields are smaller with smaller goals, they cannot be played on other fields where U11 and up plays.* But, keep throwing out your suggestions, perhaps there will be one that we have not considered.
Assuming you're still talking about using Temecula next Sunday for 8v8 games, start games at 8:00 AM and compress the time between games. Not optimal and there may be delays, but in the interests of getting this tournament finished, these aren't unreasonable compromises.

8:00 AM BU-10 R32
9:30 AM GU-10 R32
11:00 AM BU-9 R32
12:30 PM GU-9 R32
2:00 PM BU-10 & GU-10 R16
3:30 PM BU-9 & GU-9 R16

In this scenario, you'll use the same 16 fields, just more frequently. Most games will be over in 60-65 minutes. OT games will make things tight, and PK's may delay the next game on some fields, but there still should be time to get all of the games in before it gets dark.

UpperV's proposal works perfectly if you amend the rules to eliminate OT and take draws directly to Kicks from the Penalty Spot. At least shorten the OTs or make a single OT period.

Originally posted by GOOOAAALLL@Feb 18 2005, 03:51 PM
Enough already! Dragging this on any longer than necessary is outrageous!

Mid March teams are going to start missing players that made off season committments - therefore requiring team forfeits. Because of a Soccer Expo??? At some point, the last team standing will be deemed State Cup Champion. What a farce!

Couldn't CalSouth have rescheduled the Soccer Nation a lot easier than games for over 1,000 teams? If it is clear next Saturday and NO games are being played, can you say "BOYCOTT"? That ought to send a strong message.
:ph34r:

I agree with GOAL, BOYCOTT this soccer convention. Maybe State Cup BOD's could care less if we do, but if alot of folks do boycott and turnout is low, I think they will get the message (but they can careless if we do or don't).

:ph34r:

Originally posted by Fndamentlz+Feb 18 2005, 04:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Fndamentlz @ Feb 18 2005, 04:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-GOOOAAALLL@Feb 18 2005, 03:51 PM
Enough already! Dragging this on any longer than necessary is outrageous!

Mid March teams are going to start missing players that made off season committments - therefore requiring team forfeits. Because of a Soccer Expo??? At some point, the last team standing will be deemed State Cup Champion. What a farce!

Couldn't CalSouth have rescheduled the Soccer Nation a lot easier than games for over 1,000 teams? If it is clear next Saturday and NO games are being played, can you say "BOYCOTT"? That ought to send a strong message.
:ph34r:

I agree with GOAL, BOYCOTT this soccer convention. Maybe State Cup BOD's could care less if we do, but if alot of folks do boycott and turnout is low, I think they will get the message (but they can careless if we do or don't).

:ph34r: [/b][/quote]
Let me clarify something. There is no State Cup BOD. There is a Cal South BOD and State Cup Committee belongs under that umbrella. And, unfortunately, it is Cal South BOD that insists on no play on Feb 26. State Cup Committee would play on any and every day that is available.

State Cup,

As you can tell people are getting worked up about the delays - we just want to play and get the season over with.

Are you saying that Cal South doesn't want to play on the 26th because of Soccer Nation but the SC Committee could make a different decision and schedule games for the 26th and 27th?

Originally posted by G94 Fan@Feb 18 2005, 05:08 PM
State Cup,

As you can tell people are getting worked up about the delays - we just want to play and get the season over with.

Are you saying that Cal South doesn't want to play on the 26th because of Soccer Nation but the SC Committee could make a different decision and schedule games for the 26th and 27th?
I did not say that. What I said is that Cal South BOD does not want State Cup to be played on Feb 26. State Cup Committee would like to play that day but since our decisions are subject to Cal South BOD approval, and they do not want to approve that date, February 26 looks out.

Originally posted by Statecup@Feb 18 2005, 05:05 PM
Let me clarify something. There is no State Cup BOD. There is a Cal South BOD and State Cup Committee belongs under that umbrella. And, unfortunately, it is Cal South BOD that insists on no play on Feb 26. State Cup Committee would play on any and every day that is available.
No - let me clarify something.... Cal South BOD and the State CupCommittee by extension exist to SERVE the players in the organization. :bop:
They and their "convention" would not exist except for the players and parents who foot the bill which sustains the organization day-to-day.

It is crystal clear to me where clubs have gotten the idea that they are money making pay our leaders organization - Cal SOuth is clearly the best model.

I think we all need to email Cal South BOD and let them know the problems that they are causing by not playing next weekend. I understand when fields close that they have no control but from what I have heard Lancaster and Bakersfield did not close their fields this weekend. I think it is ridicules that they will not play next Sat if the fields are open. They need to get this done before more teams are forced to drop out. Maybe they should just cancel the whole thing and give everyone their money back. Here are all of the contacts. I am not sure who is on the BOD but I think we should have everyone on the teams send each one an email. Maybe if they got a couple of thousand emails they might wake up. Here is the link to Cal South in case I printed anything wrong below. http://www.calsouth.com/directory.htm


President
Rod Short
rshort@csupomona.edu
(909) 376-5812 (Ph)
(951) 788-6105 (Fax)

Vice President
Maureen Alvarez
Socrstars@adelphia.net
(909) 446-8397(Ph/Fax)

Assistant Vice President
Paul Doty
pjd52@adelphia.net
(714) 970-9465 (Ph/Fax)

Treasurer
Ken Goldman
kgoldman@bfwco.com
(310) 226-7545

Secretary
David De Leon
secretary@calsouth.com
(714) 738-5125

District 1 (San Diego South/Imperial Counties)
Mike Chase
mdchase@pacbell.net
(619) 435-6616 (Ph)
(619) 435-6617 (Fax)

District 2 (San Diego County North)
John Mullen
calsouthdist2@aol.com
(858) 793-0237 (Ph/Fax)

District 3 (Orange County)
Mike Tiampo
nahoa@earthlink.net
(949) 559-6883 (Ph)
(949) 559-4762 (Fax)

District 4 (Los Angeles County)
Derek Barraza
dc4@calsouth.com
(562) 544-9578 (Ph)
(562) 684-0580(Fax)

District 5 (San Bernardino/Riverside Counties)
Rito Chisholm
rrchisholm@aol.com
(760) 948-8135 (Ph/Fax)

District 6 (Kern County and Antelope Valley portion of Los Angeles County)
Greg Falk
gpfalk@yahoo.com
(661) 995-9209(Ph)
(661) 327-1087(Fax)

District 7 (San Luis Obispo/Santa Barbara/Ventura Counties)
Lois Sanford
lsanford3@adelphia.net
(805) 499-1081(Ph/Fax)

Originally posted by soccer2005+Feb 18 2005, 05:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (soccer2005 @ Feb 18 2005, 05:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Statecup@Feb 18 2005, 05:05 PM
Let me clarify something. There is no State Cup BOD. There is a Cal South BOD and State Cup Committee belongs under that umbrella. And, unfortunately, it is Cal South BOD that insists on no play on Feb 26. State Cup Committee would play on any and every day that is available.
No - let me clarify something.... Cal South BOD and the State CupCommittee by extension exist to SERVE the players in the organization. :bop:
They and their "convention" would not exist except for the players and parents who foot the bill which sustains the organization day-to-day.

It is crystal clear to me where clubs have gotten the idea that they are money making pay our leaders organization - Cal SOuth is clearly the best model.[/b][/quote]
They're the only game in town and they know it. It's always about the business and this is a shining example of the "we're bigger than life and can decide what will or will not take place any way we choose" attitude.

As long as we keep funding it, they'll keep doing the same thing. The BOD doesn't serve us, they are there to.......??? :uhm: ???? What are they there for?????? Oh yeah to decide what fees, fines and entry fees should be payed and when!

If they care at all they'll reconsider and take into account how most people feel about this. I wouldn't hold my breath but you never know, it could happen. A little rain, o.k. a ton of rain never hurt anyone and I think the kids will love it!!! :ohyeah:

Originally posted by Statecup+Feb 18 2005, 06:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Statecup @ Feb 18 2005, 06:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-G94 Fan@Feb 18 2005, 05:08 PM
State Cup,

As you can tell people are getting worked up about the delays - we just want to play and get the season over with.

Are you saying that Cal South doesn't want to play on the 26th because of Soccer Nation but the SC Committee could make a different decision and schedule games for the 26th and 27th?
I did not say that. What I said is that Cal South BOD does not want State Cup to be played on Feb 26. State Cup Committee would like to play that day but since our decisions are subject to Cal South BOD approval, and they do not want to approve that date, February 26 looks out. [/b][/quote]
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State Cup,

With that said, I personally will get the word out to BOYCOTT this Soccer Nation event. :wicked:

Originally posted by Fndamentlz+Feb 18 2005, 05:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Fndamentlz @ Feb 18 2005, 05:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Statecup@Feb 18 2005, 06:13 PM
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State Cup,

As you can tell people are getting worked up about the delays - we just want to play and get the season over with.

Are you saying that Cal South doesn't want to play on the 26th because of Soccer Nation but the SC Committee could make a different decision and schedule games for the 26th and 27th?
I did not say that. What I said is that Cal South BOD does not want State Cup to be played on Feb 26. State Cup Committee would like to play that day but since our decisions are subject to Cal South BOD approval, and they do not want to approve that date, February 26 looks out.
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State Cup,

With that said, I personally will get the word out to BOYCOTT this Soccer Nation event. :wicked: [/b][/quote]
...and add to that to get the word out to boycott any "vendors" who go in support of Soccer(wedontactuallyplay :nono: )Nation and there might be some REAL response!

This seems harsh. How is the weather anyone's fault? We have friends who live in Bakersfield and it's been pouring nonstop all day and it's forecasted to rain for 5 more days. I think Cal South did the right thing. clap2

Originally posted by upperv@Feb 18 2005, 05:28 PM
Assuming you're still talking about using Temecula next Sunday for 8v8 games, start games at 8:00 AM and compress the time between games. Not optimal and there may be delays, but in the interests of getting this tournament finished, these aren't unreasonable compromises.

8:00 AM BU-10 R32
9:30 AM GU-10 R32
11:00 AM BU-9 R32
12:30 PM GU-9 R32
2:00 PM BU-10 & GU-10 R16
3:30 PM BU-9 & GU-9 R16

In this scenario, you'll use the same 16 fields, just more frequently. Most games will be over in 60-65 minutes. OT games will make things tight, and PK's may delay the next game on some fields, but there still should be time to get all of the games in before it gets dark.
Statecup, is this a schedule that the committee will review? What issues, if any, do you see with it?

No one is talking about the weather being there fault. We are upset that they will refuse to play next weekend even if the weather is good.

State Cup
Thank you for indulging are interests and keeping us informed.
Please pay no attention to the cranky parents.
Some folks have no concept of the phrase, "Don't shoot the messanger"
Note: The vast majority of us do not subscribe to any ideas of
Writing the board, boycotting anything or blaming CalSouth for
not being clairvoyant and predicting the weather.
Thanks again.

One no brainer solution is to cut the 64 team bracket down to 32. You had teams advancing that didn't win a single game the first weekend. Silly. I doubt that those teams even felt like making another road trip anyways.

Originally posted by DribbleNshoot@Feb 18 2005, 08:35 PM
State Cup
Some folks have no concept of the phrase, "Don't shoot the messanger"
Note: The vast majority of us do not subscribe to any ideas of
Writing the board, boycotting anything or blaming CalSouth for
not being clairvoyant and predicting the weather.

No one "shot" him :cm: , but no one around here is going to molly-coddle hi into believing we're happy either.

If you read the thread - and the irritation - it isnt about forecasting weather or game cancellations - it IS about placing a soccer "convention" over and aboce actual SOCCER as the priority of the organization.

And for the record - I missed the vote where YOU get to speak for the VAST MAJORITY!

Any anger I've displayed is directed squarely at the CalSouth BoD - not at our friend who has chosen to give his time and share information with us.

It is truely sad that they just don't get it. They've definately crossed that line from "service" to thinking it is all about themselves. That is really sad.

Could this be the trigger point to get CSL to abandon CalSouth? Two good options exist. CSL is big enough to become its own "state" in the USYSA structure. I have been told by insiders that this has all been pre-approved by USYSA. CalSouth serves no purpose for CSL except to register players, buy insurance and provide the PAD committee.

Another option: get the clubs to abandon CalSouth for USClubSoccer.

This is off the State Cup website:
The following partner hotels have established special rates and services for Cal South State Cup Teams. Please mention Cal South Soccer when making your reservations.

Does "special rates and services" include a stipulation that allows accomodations to be postponed due to a change of scheduling, without forfeiting $$$? Perhaps State Cup needs to revise the list of CSL "partner hotels" and play a little hardball with the hotels that are forfeiting deposits for rescheduled games. I'd sure want to know what hotels to NEVER book in the future!

I think that everyone should remember that Cal-South is making a "business" decision between Soccer Nation and State Cup. We will all complain and scream when CYSA postpones SC yet another week, but you will take it and like it.

PS, The motel/hotel owners are not to be blamed. They sell rooms...you make reservations and keep them from selling to another traveller. Imagine driving to Bakersfield knowing you have a guaranteed night. You arrive at the check-in counter and the owner tells you sorry we sold your room to somebody else. Then you find the closest available room is in Fresno.

Thanks to STATE CUP for posting updates on this site and responding when appropriate.

For those that want to whine about the late decision by Cal South to Cancel and list the hotels that are and are not cooperating: Although this Forum is a good place to exchange that information, this THREAD is not.

Thanks to CAT for starting the CAL SOUTH DECICION Thread for those that support or DO NOT SUPPORT the decsion and the timing of the Cal South Decision and want to share their opinions regarding the timing of their decision.

Any news Statecup? Are they working on it today?

Thanks,
Admin

We had a 4 hour meeting yesterday. Waiting for couple of answers to some issues, then I will let everyone know.

Originally posted by Statecup@Feb 20 2005, 10:01 AM
We had a 4 hour meeting yesterday. Waiting for couple of answers to some issues, then I will let everyone know.
THANKS clap2

What I am hoping to hear for GU11 is 2 rounds next Sunday (64 to 16).

Followed by two rounds on MArch 5 (16 to 4) and then 2 rounds on March 6th (4 to champ).

Though I still think that the round of 64 is ill advised in this special circumstance I support it. I think it would be a fairer result if the best teams get a warm up round in before potential elimination games.

I know this would be harsh but it's crossed my mind - just for this year....

For U9-U10 just take the teams that won each bracket - thereby going right to the round of 16 next Sat. morning, then round of 8 Sat. afternoon then round of 4 Sunday morning and then finals next Sunday afternoon. Done.

Don't yell at me...it was just a thought. :unkown

Originally posted by Crossbar@Feb 20 2005, 11:21 AM
I know this would be harsh but it's crossed my mind - just for this year....

For U9-U10 just take the teams that won each bracket - thereby going right to the round of 16 next Sat. morning, then round of 8 Sat. afternoon then round of 4 Sunday morning and then finals next Sunday afternoon. Done.

Don't yell at me...it was just a thought. :unkown
:holdback ---> :unkown or :gangup :hotwater Just some of the reactions you might get :D

Hey, you may have something there! Your reaction could be:

:beer: :applause :perfect

It would save a ton of time if it was done for Boys and Girls U9-U10.

I know my son's team (who was already eliminated) would think it was fair. The Blind Draw can really be unfair, but we teach our kids that's it's "the luck of the draw" - Our club's B team made it through in a very easy bracket. My son's A team didn't and there would be no contest between the A and the B teams. They lost 0-1 to two top level Silver Elite teams and our B team didn't compete against any team above 6th place Silver. :wacko: Life's not fair and it's good to learn it young! Having Cal South cut to the chase a bit early due to lack of fields and time is not a bad idea. :buds

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I've got a great idea: Have all games played in Orange County so kids and parents can go to Soccer Nation in between games! Now, if CYSA could just locate enough fields..... ;)

Soccertake, outstanding idea! We can still play next Saturday and everyone's happy!

See this board does come up with some ingenious ideas!!!

Originally posted by Crossbar@Feb 20 2005, 12:21 PM
I know this would be harsh but it's crossed my mind - just for this year....

For U9-U10 just take the teams that won each bracket - thereby going right to the round of 16 next Sat. morning, then round of 8 Sat. afternoon then round of 4 Sunday morning and then finals next Sunday afternoon. Done.

Don't yell at me...it was just a thought. :unkown
I think a lot of the top level teams would not be very happy with this idea. But as you said, it was just a thought. As it looks, CalSouth is planning on continuing with the teams that have made it through so far, but the venue has changed...Lancaster. :(